Blad The Inspirer
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Something that you brought up about this line during episode 73 struck me as very interesting. I had forgotten the fact that Beren would have had no way of knowing her name, and therefore must have been inspired to call her this based purely on his experience of seeing her.
It made me think about two connections between that moment and Aragorn's life. I am reluctant to bring them up, as I want to avoid skipping ahead in the text, but I wanted to raise these points before I forget.
The first connection is to Aragorn's name, Elessar. We find out in The Houses of Healing in The Return of the King that the people of Minas Tirith "named him Elfstone, because of the green stone that he wore, and so the name which it was foretold at his birth that he should bear was chosen for him by his own people." There is a self-fulfilling prophecy element to this example, but can such an element be seen in the "Tinuviel" line in the poem? I'm not quite sure so I would like to hear someone's opinion.
The second connection is far more explicit. Aragorn, of course, calls out Tinuviel's name when he first sees Arwen, because he was thinking about her at the time. I always just thought of this as a nice parallel between the two stories, but after hearing your comments on the poem, I started to wonder if this is actually calling attention to a contrast between the two stories. Beren was right on the money when he cried "Tinuviel", but Aragorn is just a little off, and is quickly corrected by Arwen. Could this be foreshadowing a sadder and more bitter ending to the story of A&A than we had for B&L? Could it even suggest that the relationship of A&A was a mistake?
I haven't finished listening to episode 74 yet, so I apologize if this question was already covered.
It made me think about two connections between that moment and Aragorn's life. I am reluctant to bring them up, as I want to avoid skipping ahead in the text, but I wanted to raise these points before I forget.
The first connection is to Aragorn's name, Elessar. We find out in The Houses of Healing in The Return of the King that the people of Minas Tirith "named him Elfstone, because of the green stone that he wore, and so the name which it was foretold at his birth that he should bear was chosen for him by his own people." There is a self-fulfilling prophecy element to this example, but can such an element be seen in the "Tinuviel" line in the poem? I'm not quite sure so I would like to hear someone's opinion.
The second connection is far more explicit. Aragorn, of course, calls out Tinuviel's name when he first sees Arwen, because he was thinking about her at the time. I always just thought of this as a nice parallel between the two stories, but after hearing your comments on the poem, I started to wonder if this is actually calling attention to a contrast between the two stories. Beren was right on the money when he cried "Tinuviel", but Aragorn is just a little off, and is quickly corrected by Arwen. Could this be foreshadowing a sadder and more bitter ending to the story of A&A than we had for B&L? Could it even suggest that the relationship of A&A was a mistake?
I haven't finished listening to episode 74 yet, so I apologize if this question was already covered.