No wait: perhaps he does care about Finrod and does want Finrod to come. He perceives Finrod’s role as Master of the Isle, and wants him dead. He attacks his human friends to attract Finrod’s attention. This makes Finrod’s arrival later interesting since Sauron will feel his plan has worked.I don’t think Sauron cares about the distance of Finrod or if he stays away or not. He is full of hubris, so he might even want to lure Finrod to come by killing off his friends.
But Sauron is focussed on his tub of evil now. Finrod can wait untill he has figured that out. So can Morgoth with his Doriath plan. And this human gives him the time he needs, when he does on his own, Sauron will be ready to reenter the game with news resources.I don’t think Sauron cares about the distance of Finrod or if he stays away or not. He is full of hubris, so he might even want to lure Finrod to come by killing off his friends.
But both are immortals. Both Sauron and Finrod have time and both know it. Let's first make a stage for inviting the former host. And as Rób Harding stated Sauron had enough of elven kings for now. His focus is now on self- development and consolidation.No wait: perhaps he does care about Finrod and does want Finrod to come. He perceives Finrod’s role as Master of the Isle, and wants him dead. He attacks his human friends to attract Finrod’s attention. This makes Finrod’s arrival later interesting since Sauron will feel his plan has worked.
I’m not sure I see why Sauron must feel he can wait, or why he should want to rest in his elimination of elves.
That might depend on what he can find. Morgoth had this same problem after the Nirnaeth when the Sons of Fëanor were put to flight, leaving East Beleriand for the taking and he had taken Fingon's realms; he knows of Doriath but cannot enter, while thanks to Finrod and Curufin he cannot find Nargothrond and nobody knows of Turgon in Gondolin. His thought sways constantly to the latter because of the foreboding he received from Turgon's presence in Valinor.I’m not sure I see why Sauron must feel he can wait, or why he should want to rest in his elimination of elves.
That might depend on what he can find. Morgoth had this same problem after the Nirnaeth when the Sons of Fëanor were put to flight, leaving East Beleriand for the taking and he had taken Fingon's realms; he knows of Doriath but cannot enter, while thanks to Finrod and Curufin he cannot find Nargothrond and nobody knows of Turgon in Gondolin. His thought sways constantly to the latter because of the foreboding he received from Turgon's presence in Valinor.
Then what is his priority? It’s something we choose, isn’t it?it’s not a priority
All, supposedly in the name of advancing Morgoth's agenda of taking Beleriand and snuffing everything out.Yeah. Tub of Evil. His own plans. Building a power base.
Sorry I’ve not been able to follow the sessions lately so I have no idea what this “tub of evil” means. I’m not sure why he can’t entertain more than one plan simultaneously though.Yeah. Tub of Evil. His own plans. Building a power base.
Sorry I’ve not been able to follow the sessions lately so I have no idea what this “tub of evil” means. I’m not sure why he can’t entertain more than one plan simultaneously though.
Alright, I can buy this. The perfectionism and pride of Sauron is his downfall.The Tub of Evil is what we are calling the Well of Souls which is to be based in Tol Sirion. It is a vat he can fill with souls that necromancy will help him raise as an army.
I think of it like this:
The Sheriff of Nottingham has big plans. He'd like to rule as much as possible. But he's a pragmatist. King John is his boss. He can't lay claim to King John's turf. And King John rules the land. But the Sheriff has his corner. And sure, there are barons he needs to win over. There are officials he needs deposing. He will work on them. They are long term threats. But boy, nobody will take him seriously if that little rebel band of soldiers-turned-rascals living in the woods. He needs this area to be as easy as possible to lay claim to. He needs potential players off the board. You know what he can do, then? He can get rid of those damn nuisances. It'll make him look good to his bosses. So he sends off his men to do the dirty work. He has his own machinations to focus on. But wouldn't you know it, he should've paid more attention. Cos know he's made these forest dwellers into real enemies.
I don't think it's a leap to think Sauron goes after Barahir and his men to help advance long term plans even though his attention is on Tol Sirion. He wants to spread a power base but for now, it's early days in terms of taking elven strongholds. You need an army of the undead before giving that a crack. Best to clear what he can from the board first. Sweep out the mortals from the land. Men are no threat after all.
I think he can have more than one plan. Or at least, stages and facets of a long term plan. I just think we need to show what we need to when we need to. And get the truly vital points out as early as possible so we are able to balance a secondary level villain this season with our heroes introduction. So if we can show all this, which I think is very possible, as swiftly as we can then the audience understand what is at stake and why our heroes actions count so much in the land. Goals, stakes, obstacles.
Alright, I can buy this. The perfectionism and pride of Sauron is his downfall.
I never had any problems with this. It’s more or less what I wrote before, but more elaborate and more eloquently put. I wanted to add a long-term strategic goal to the elimination of the mortals that would tie in with the arch of the season, but perhaps it’s not possible.But boy, nobody will take him seriously if that little rebel band of soldiers-turned-rascals living in the woods. He needs this area to be as easy as possible to lay claim to. He needs potential players off the board. You know what he can do, then? He can get rid of those damn nuisances. It'll make him look good to his bosses. So he sends off his men to do the dirty work. He has his own machinations to focus on. But wouldn't you know it, he should've paid more attention. Cos know he's made these forest dwellers into real enemies.
I don't think it's a leap to think Sauron goes after Barahir and his men to help advance long term plans even though his attention is on Tol Sirion. He wants to spread a power base but for now, it's early days in terms of taking elven strongholds. You need an army of the undead before giving that a crack. Best to clear what he can from the board first. Sweep out the mortals from the land. Men are no threat after all.
I never had any problems with this. It’s more or less what I wrote before, but more elaborate and more eloquently put. I wanted to add a long-term strategic goal to the elimination of the mortals that would tie in with the arch of the season, but perhaps it’s not possible.
Yes I do agree. Still the small bandit can wait if there is a recently discovered huge golden treassure from Roman times burried down on Sheriff's own basement. Let's recover that safely first before the servants will steal everything. The local barons will not care for the lone bandit in the woods anymore if they get a chest of gold each. First things first.The Tub of Evil is what we are calling the Well of Souls which is to be based in Tol Sirion. It is a vat he can fill with souls that necromancy will help him raise as an army.
I think of it like this:
The Sheriff of Nottingham has big plans. He'd like to rule as much as possible. But he's a pragmatist. King John is his boss. He can't lay claim to King John's turf. And King John rules the land. But the Sheriff has his corner. And sure, there are barons he needs to win over. There are officials he needs deposing. He will work on them. They are long term threats. But boy, nobody will take him seriously if that little rebel band of soldiers-turned-rascals living in the woods. He needs this area to be as easy as possible to lay claim to. He needs potential players off the board. You know what he can do, then? He can get rid of those damn nuisances. It'll make him look good to his bosses. So he sends off his men to do the dirty work. He has his own machinations to focus on. But wouldn't you know it, he should've paid more attention. Cos know he's made these forest dwellers into real enemies.
I don't think it's a leap to think Sauron goes after Barahir and his men to help advance long term plans even though his attention is on Tol Sirion. He wants to spread a power base but for now, it's early days in terms of taking elven strongholds. You need an army of the undead before giving that a crack. Best to clear what he can from the board first. Sweep out the mortals from the land. Men are no threat after all.
I think he can have more than one plan. Or at least, stages and facets of a long term plan. I just think we need to show what we need to when we need to. And get the truly vital points out as early as possible so we are able to balance the Tol-In-Gaurhoth gang, who are secondary level villains really this season, with our heroes’ introductions. So if we can show all this, which I think is very possible, as swiftly as we can then the audience understand what is at stake and why our heroes actions count so much in the land. Goals, stakes, obstacles.
I think you can show him moving on multiple fronts. Sure he’s planning necromancy. But once he’s mastered that he’ll need to move. And if he has orc strongholds developed ready to flow down from the lands above and the elves cannot run and hide in high ground either, then he is ready with an attack planYes I do agree. Still the small bandit can wait if there is a recently discovered huge golden treassure from Roman times burried down on Sheriff's own basement. Let's recover that safely first before the servants will steal everything. The local barons will not care for the lone bandit in the woods anymore if they get a chest of gold each. First things first.
I think you can show him moving on multiple fronts. Sure he’s planning necromancy. But once he’s mastered that he’ll need to move. And if he has orc strongholds developed ready to flow down from the lands above and the elves cannot run and hide in high ground either, then he is ready with an attack plan