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The problem is, she is know to later just let a hobbit deal with Sauron while she herself stays put. Not very satisfactory.
She also must have known Sauron is a Maia and that it is beyong her power to deal with him just by using arms - he is not yet trapped in his body - he will just make another one. So her quest is senseless from the very beginning - .

Not senseless at all. It was a man, Isildur, who cut off Sauron's hand. And Galadriel is the most powerful elf in ME, so she does indeed have the wherewithal to face Sauron.

Don't forget that another elf, Fëanor, slammed the doors on the face of Morgoth himself! It's true that he wouldn't have been able to defeat Morgoth, but it shows you what an elf can and will do in anger.

I suspect if Fëanor had been a pretty blond female elf many present day readers/viewers would take strong exception to that part of the legendarium.

"Then hate overcame Fëanor’s fear, and he cursed Melkor and bade him be gone, saying: ‘Get thee gone from my gate, thou jail-crow of Mandos!’ And he shut the doors of his house in the face of the mightiest of all the dwellers in Eä."
Tolkien, J.R.R.. The Silmarillion (p. 63). HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.
 
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Not senseless at all. It was a man, Isildur, who cut off Sauron's hand. And Galadriel is the most powerful elf in ME, so she does indeed have the wherewithal to face Sauron.

But this was after Sauron has made the One Ring and its loss make him too weak to make a new body fast. Still he was not killed even then. So of what use her killing his current body would have even before the One Ring was made? None, he would be back in a few centuries - which even for her is not very much.

Don't forget that another elf, Fëanor, slammed the doors on the face of Morgoth himself!

And has this achieved anything of substance?
And he has not kept slamming the door for several centuries. Even Fëanor made some strategic plans in the meantime.

I suspect if Fëanor had been a pretty blond female elf many present day readers/viewers would take strong exception to that part of the legendarium.

Why? Nobody has ever taken strong exception to Éowyn, who is also blond and female? She at least knows how to behave in court - and she is only a king's niece, not a king's daughter ;).

To second Rob Harding's note above, if Galadriel was all knowing from the start, there would be no story to tell here (and no tv show to make).

This is not "all knowing" - it is her very own special natural gift. If someone is know for his/her perfect pitch it does not make a character arc by making him/her start out completly tone-deaf? Or someone who we know will become an master impressionist painter to start out colour-blind?

This would be not believable.
And so it is with Galadriel, they have just taken her name but put a completely different person in under that name - that it not just a younger version of what we know. Such a complete makeover would be completly unbelievable - whatever she goes trough in the story - the only understandable reason for such a dramaric change would be a severe brain injury or great hormonal change (and I am not even sure if this would work on elves) - but even that would not turn a tone-deaf person into a perfect-pichted one - at most the other way round.
 
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The problem is, she is know to later just let a hobbit deal with Sauron while she herself stays put. Not very satisfactory.

Almost sounds like she learnt a lesson. Letting go of her own personal baggage and trusting others. If you’ve issue with the fact Galadriel let’s Frodo go, that’s established in Tolkien canon. The show is just showing how a younger woman gets to being able to make that wise call.

She also must have known Sauron is a Maia and that it is beyong her power to deal with him just by using arms - chasing a Maia she cannot kill. Also completely senseless.
Almost sounds like she’s not being driven by logic
 
Almost sounds like she’s not being driven by logic

That is true. But then nobody should let her be a commander of even 3 soldiers, not mentioning the Northern Armies. Even Fëanor showed some rudimentary logic in military matters.
 
I do understand they desparately wish to create some character development for Galadriel. Yet - she's still a tousands of years old immortal. You gotta lose something along the way. In this case magic and elvishness. I even get the concept of having her portraied as a person difficult to deal with - i GET that. But that portayal to me is NOT on spot, it is vastly exaggerated, and it is bedded within a storyline that does not convince me on several crucial spots.These spots were, i already mentioned, her two suicide attempts (and you cannot simply discuss these away as "bad choice"... unless she is to be conceived as a character for whom jumping off a ship on the middle of the ocean or diving the same ocean during a storm has no severe life-threatening consequences) and her irrational and weirdly told behaviour on Numenor (which also is not simply to dismiss as "feanorian" arrogance and PTSD) - they literally put one of the mightiest characters on Arda into a prison cell, have her sneak out of a restrained guest apartment disguising herself as human by hiding her pointy ears ,smilingly beat up prisonguards and sneak into the kings bedchamber at night, turn the Queen to disguise a military campaign as an escort mission with a small guard of unexperienced rookies, and convince an obvious criminal without any moral compass to become a king instrumental to fight against Sauron and desert-orcs hiding in holes in Nurn... that is psychopathic to a degree it makes my jaw drop.

If you still think this is good writing and characterisation on spot i suggest we simply drop the discussion, because we won't find any common ground on that issue, having completely different definitions of what both terms mean. In other words i give up, i do not wish to convince anybody of my position.I surrender.What they do works well for some people as it seems and i don't know why.
 
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If you still think this is good writung and characterisation on spot i suggest we simply drop the discussion, because we won't find any common ground on that issue, having completely different definitions of what both terms mean. In other words i give up, i do not wish to convince anybody of my position.I surrender.What they do works well for some people as it seems and i don't know why.

I do not think it is the goal here to convince anyone of anything - just to present one's own opinion in a coherant understandable way? Others do not have to share it, but it is generally good to understand various viewpoints?
 
That is true. But then nobody should let her be a commander of even 3 soldiers, not mentioning the Northern Armies. Even Fëanor showed some rudimentary logic in military matters.
Which is why that command was subtly stripped away. It’s there in the show.


I do understand they desparately wish to create some character development for Galadriel. Yet - she's still a tousands of years old immortal. You gotta lose something along the way. In this case magic and elvishness. I even get the concept of having her portraied as a person difficult to deal with - i GET that. But that portayal to me is NOT on spot, it is vastly exaggerated, and it is bedded within a storyline that does not convince me on several crucial spots.These spots were, i already mentioned, her two suicide attempts (and you cannot simply discuss these away as "bad choice"... unless she is to be conceived as a character for whom jumping off a ship on the middle of the ocean or diving the same ocean during a storm has no severe life-threatening consequences) and her irrational and weirdly told behaviour on Numenor (which also is not simply to dismiss as "feanorian" arrogance and PTSD) - they literally put one of the mightiest characters on Arda into a prison cell, have her sneak out of a restrained guest apartment disguising herself as human by hiding her pointy ears ,smilingly beat up prisonguards and sneak into the kings bedchamber at night, turn the Queen to disguise a military campaign as an escort mission with a small guard of unexperienced rookies, and convince an obvious criminal without any moral compass to become a king instrumental to fight against Sauron and desert-orcs hiding in holes in Nurn... that is psychopathic to a degree it makes my jaw drop.

If you still think this is good writing and characterisation on spot i suggest we simply drop the discussion, because we won't find any common ground on that issue, having completely different definitions of what both terms mean. In other words i give up, i do not wish to convince anybody of my position.I surrender.What they do works well for some people as it seems and i don't know why.
As with all things, it’s personal taste and what we want from different art
 
Yeah and that is not the way systems of fealty and loyal retinue work, that is how a modern army works.Another point where pseudo-medievalism and archaism and elvishness got thrown out of the window or not understood to begin with.Gil-Galad acts like a modern dictator, Galadriel like a modern agent gone rogue.
 
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Which is why that command was subtly stripped away. It’s there in the show.

Why was given in the 1st place? It is not as it were her own hosts from her very own lands?

And she has had it for centuries? And she was not demoted - she still carries the title?
 
Great questions. Just because we don't have answers doesn't make it flawed. Just because people make irrational choices doesn't make the writing bad. I'm not saying the show is flawless and some other criticisms here ring true, but I think when it comes to bad writing, people seem to be conflating poor choice-making on the characters' behalf with poor writing skill in some areas. You can certainly disagree with the choices and think they are wrong for the characters as you understand them. That's valid, obviously. But choices aren't the same as quality. I'd also add that, we don't know these characters. Even Galadriel and Elrond who we feel we may have most context for. We don't. We don't know them any better than Nori or Theo at this point. We only have four episodes to judge them by. Again, I'm not saying people's opinions aren't valid and people can 100% express distaste and dislike AT ANY POINT. What I am saying is, we don't have answers yet. That's not always a bad thing. It's just what it is.
 
Great questions. Just because we don't have answers doesn't make it flawed. Just because people make irrational choices doesn't make the writing bad. I'm not saying the show is flawless and some other criticisms here ring true, but I think when it comes to bad writing, people seem to be conflating poor choice-making on the characters' behalf with poor writing skill in some areas. You can certainly disagree with the choices and think they are wrong for the characters as you understand them. That's valid, obviously. But choices aren't the same as quality. I'd also add that, we don't know these characters. Even Galadriel and Elrond who we feel we may have most context for. We don't. We don't know them any better than Nori or Theo at this point. We only have four episodes to judge them by. Again, I'm not saying people's opinions aren't valid and people can 100% express distaste and dislike AT ANY POINT. What I am saying is, we don't have answers yet. That's not always a bad thing. It's just what it is.

Is the next season not like 2 years off? If the audience is left with no even preliminary answers, nobody will wait this long for a resolution - they will stop caring. For me it is like this - if something might have feasible understandble reasons, it needs no explaining. If something is completly illogical - it needs a justificationa at least hinted at in a story.
 
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Is the next season not like 2 years off? If the audience is left with no even preliminary answers, nobody will wait this long for a resolution - they will stop caring.
*some of* the audience

Also, I'm not sure the answers you laid out above are the ones people are clamouring for answers on. I'm not saying they aren't valid, I just think maybe your overestimating the importance those particular questions about Galadriel's position as general hold for most people. I could be wrong.
 
*some of* the audience

Also, I'm not sure the answers you laid out above are the ones people are clamouring for answers on. I'm not saying they aren't valid, I just think maybe your overestimating the importance those particular questions about Galadriel's position as general hold for most people. I could be wrong.

Not necessary is an explicit answer needed - it is more a problem of general attitude. People have a natural self-preservation instinct - if you notice a being - human or animal - which behaves completely irrational in your surroundings - you automatically seek to put distance between that being and yourself. As Galadriel's surroundings puts and leaves a irrational person in a position of power - this automatically detaches the viewers from really caring for them.
 
I wouldn't say she's irrational at all. She's just very poorly managing personal grief and masking it mostly effectively for, seemingly, centuries until she feels her coping mechanisms being taken away from her. I think that is highly relatable and understandable. And perfectly inkeeping with what we've been presented.
 
I wouldn't say she's irrational at all. She's just very poorly managing personal grief and masking it mostly effectively for, seemingly, centuries until she feels her coping mechanisms being taken away from her. I think that is highly relatable and understandable. And perfectly inkeeping with what we've been presented.

And that makes her forget - 1) all her peronal gifts, 2) all her courtly breeding, 3) all her magic = all that she ever was from her childhood?

How so?

If she were this traumatised she would be send into a confined asylum by her family long ago, and not put into a position of power. It is not as if her problems could gradually grow over time - she is not a human.
 
And that makes her forget - 1) all her peronal gifts, 2) all her courtly breeding, 3) all her magic = all that she ever was from her childhood?

How so?
We literally don't know that any of that is canon though. This was my point in saying we only have four episodes of context. This is its own canon. Which you can enjoy or not. But you're bringing in knowledge that is external to try to contextualise and it's leaving you with unanswered questions. And I get that nothing exists in a vacuum. But it needs to breathe as its own thing. I totally get preferring the book. But the book is still there. The show doesn't negate it. It's its own thing. We don't know what courtly behaviours are in this show beyond what she have seen. We've only seen a microsecond of her childhood that has done very good job of clearly defining the person we know see. We know little of her personal gifts of magic. Again, save for what is on screen. You're issues are external. Which, again, is absolutely fine. But those are personal quandaries not script issues is my only point.
 
We literally don't know that any of that is canon though.
We do. She herself named herself publicly as the daughter of Finarfin.

She was manoeuvring the politics of Finwe complicated court with her sulking half-uncle from her early childhood. Feanor has been named already too in the show.
 
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We don’t know what that means is my point. We have no context for what they means for her and her upbringing

We might not know yet, but still she should behave according to it. If we learn this later - will they reshoot those scenes? Just because we do not know something yet in a story, if it is there, it should still have the expected effect - even if we not yet know the source of it.
 
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