Flammifer
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I read Frodo's experience in the house of Elrond, as a pre-figuring of all that is yet to come to Frodo.
He arrives in Rivendell, almost defeated and wraithified by external forces in the form of the Ringwraiths. (He will be almost defeated and petrified by Gollum and Shelob later on.)
He then is almost defeated by internal forces (perhaps influenced by the Ring, though I am not sure how directly), when a shadow fell between him and Bilbo, and he 'felt a desire to strike him'. (He is, of course, actually defeated by the same internal Ring lust at the brink of the fires of Doom, and only saved by Gollum.)
He is rescued from wraithification by Elrond (and partly by his own resistance). He is 'rescued' from his internal Ring lust partly by Bilbo, and partly by his enchantment through Elvish music in the Hall of Fire.
In the Hall of Fire, he loses himself, and merges his consciousness with the universe, in a state resembling 'Nirvana'.
'Nirvana' is "the end of greed, hatred, and delusion". Frodo has just exhibited greed, hatred, and delusion, with Bilbo. He loses all of these, and his sense of self in the enchantment in the Hall of Fire.
What calls him back from 'a long dream of music that turned into running water'?
Bilbo's poem about Earendil.
Earendil's story pre-figures Frodo's. Earendil is a mariner, who tarries in Avernien. Frodo is a wanderer, who tarries in the Shire. Earendil gets all dressed up with fancy armor and weapons. So will Frodo, before he leaves Rivendell. Earendil tries to complete his quest, but gets lost and loses the way. So does Frodo, when he cannot see how to enter Mordor through the Morannon, and heads south to the Morgul Vale. Earendil is put back on the right path by Elwing and the Silmaril. Frodo is put on the right path by Sam and the Silmaril (now a star, the Flammifer of Westernesse). Earendil and Frodo both complete their quest and save Middle Earth. Both make it to Elvenhome. Both pass beyond the circles of the world.
In a way (both literally and symbolically) Frodo is 'called' back to the world by the tale of Earendil, as he is 'summoned' to his mission. He may not have known previously that he would take the Ring any further than Rivendell. But, he 'knows' it now, even if he has not yet articulated it to himself or anyone else.
He arrives in Rivendell, almost defeated and wraithified by external forces in the form of the Ringwraiths. (He will be almost defeated and petrified by Gollum and Shelob later on.)
He then is almost defeated by internal forces (perhaps influenced by the Ring, though I am not sure how directly), when a shadow fell between him and Bilbo, and he 'felt a desire to strike him'. (He is, of course, actually defeated by the same internal Ring lust at the brink of the fires of Doom, and only saved by Gollum.)
He is rescued from wraithification by Elrond (and partly by his own resistance). He is 'rescued' from his internal Ring lust partly by Bilbo, and partly by his enchantment through Elvish music in the Hall of Fire.
In the Hall of Fire, he loses himself, and merges his consciousness with the universe, in a state resembling 'Nirvana'.
'Nirvana' is "the end of greed, hatred, and delusion". Frodo has just exhibited greed, hatred, and delusion, with Bilbo. He loses all of these, and his sense of self in the enchantment in the Hall of Fire.
What calls him back from 'a long dream of music that turned into running water'?
Bilbo's poem about Earendil.
Earendil's story pre-figures Frodo's. Earendil is a mariner, who tarries in Avernien. Frodo is a wanderer, who tarries in the Shire. Earendil gets all dressed up with fancy armor and weapons. So will Frodo, before he leaves Rivendell. Earendil tries to complete his quest, but gets lost and loses the way. So does Frodo, when he cannot see how to enter Mordor through the Morannon, and heads south to the Morgul Vale. Earendil is put back on the right path by Elwing and the Silmaril. Frodo is put on the right path by Sam and the Silmaril (now a star, the Flammifer of Westernesse). Earendil and Frodo both complete their quest and save Middle Earth. Both make it to Elvenhome. Both pass beyond the circles of the world.
In a way (both literally and symbolically) Frodo is 'called' back to the world by the tale of Earendil, as he is 'summoned' to his mission. He may not have known previously that he would take the Ring any further than Rivendell. But, he 'knows' it now, even if he has not yet articulated it to himself or anyone else.
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