I am sorry I am behind quite a bit. I dont know if this is covered later and I am trying to catch up, but I sat through listening to quite a bit of assumptions that the prophecy Boromir told from the dream was actually meant for Faramir.
And that it should have been Faramir who came instead of Boromir. I believe that is absolutely wrong.
firstly, Boromir is presumed stronger than Faramir. It took Boromir 110 days to get to the council, and he ONLY JUST MADE IT. He got a night sleep to refresh himself. Would Faramir really have made it in the same time or less? Maybe? But it seems an odd coincidence that if Boromir is not the one the prophecy is meant for, he just happens to make it to the counsel in exactly the time needed to get there. If he came almost any earlier, went straight there, then Elrond would have said "here is Bilbo, guess he is your halfling?"
And Faramir would have his answer and likely head home. I mean, how long would he have waited for frodo to get there or to recover without knowing how long that would take? A second elf would probably be on the fellowship.
secondly, The fellowship as a plan would have failed. If it didnt break, then what, they would have made it to the black gate, and then tried to sneak in somehow?
The fact it broke is what led to Frodo and Sam "befriending" Gollum and him showing the unique way into Mordor.
the fact is broke is why they went to Rohan. They had NO reason to go until the fellowship broke. if Faramir was with them, lets say they fight off the Uruk Hai and noone gets captured. Either they continue to die at the black gate, which would have happened if Frodo trusted Faramir and stayed with him- unlike getting his decision to leave hardened by Boromir. Or frodo still leaves, and the rest of the fellowship goes straight to Gondor as Aragorn wanted to do.
then Isengard instead of Rohan joins the siege of Minas Tirith.
clearly, the reason for the prophecy was to send Boromir up to Rivendell in order to BREAK the fellowship. Not to prevent it, since it was needed to get the ring past the mountains, but to break it at a certain point. To convince Frodo to leave on his own, and to die fighting the Uruks.
if Boromir and Faramirs roles were reversed, would Boromir say, "OH HELLO ARAGORN WHO WANTS TO TAKE COMMAND OF MINAS TIRITH FROM MY FAMILY AND WAS THE LAST MAN TO SEE MY BROTHER ALIVE! Sure I trust you. Oh and you bring the wizard. Great."
And that it should have been Faramir who came instead of Boromir. I believe that is absolutely wrong.
firstly, Boromir is presumed stronger than Faramir. It took Boromir 110 days to get to the council, and he ONLY JUST MADE IT. He got a night sleep to refresh himself. Would Faramir really have made it in the same time or less? Maybe? But it seems an odd coincidence that if Boromir is not the one the prophecy is meant for, he just happens to make it to the counsel in exactly the time needed to get there. If he came almost any earlier, went straight there, then Elrond would have said "here is Bilbo, guess he is your halfling?"
And Faramir would have his answer and likely head home. I mean, how long would he have waited for frodo to get there or to recover without knowing how long that would take? A second elf would probably be on the fellowship.
secondly, The fellowship as a plan would have failed. If it didnt break, then what, they would have made it to the black gate, and then tried to sneak in somehow?
The fact it broke is what led to Frodo and Sam "befriending" Gollum and him showing the unique way into Mordor.
the fact is broke is why they went to Rohan. They had NO reason to go until the fellowship broke. if Faramir was with them, lets say they fight off the Uruk Hai and noone gets captured. Either they continue to die at the black gate, which would have happened if Frodo trusted Faramir and stayed with him- unlike getting his decision to leave hardened by Boromir. Or frodo still leaves, and the rest of the fellowship goes straight to Gondor as Aragorn wanted to do.
then Isengard instead of Rohan joins the siege of Minas Tirith.
clearly, the reason for the prophecy was to send Boromir up to Rivendell in order to BREAK the fellowship. Not to prevent it, since it was needed to get the ring past the mountains, but to break it at a certain point. To convince Frodo to leave on his own, and to die fighting the Uruks.
if Boromir and Faramirs roles were reversed, would Boromir say, "OH HELLO ARAGORN WHO WANTS TO TAKE COMMAND OF MINAS TIRITH FROM MY FAMILY AND WAS THE LAST MAN TO SEE MY BROTHER ALIVE! Sure I trust you. Oh and you bring the wizard. Great."
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