Tony Meade
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SESSION 123
On the first draft of the debate of Bilbo and the Elves:
On the first draft of the debate of Bilbo and the Elves:
- The Lindir character is not named in this version, and rather is attributed to a group of unnamed elves. This removes the sense that Bilbo has established personal relationships with individuals.
- In this version, a guess is actually given as to who wrote what part of the poem, and there is a stronger hobbitry element in that they guess that Bilbo didn’t write the poem.
- Bilbo actually does attribute most of the poem to Tarkil, an early name for the Dúnedan.
- Note: The name Tarkil is the Quenya word for one of Numenorean descent and is the source for the orcish word “tark”, meaning one of the men of Gondor, used later in the final book. This is also after the character of Trotter the hobbit has transformed into Strider the man.
- This shows the poem was originally conceived as a collaboration of a hobbit and a man.
- Since Arwen does not exist in the drafts at this point, Aragorn’s relationship to the Elves is very different from what it will become later. There is a closer parallel between Bilbo and Aragorn.
- At this point, Bilbo and Aragorn are both exiles who spend time in Rivendell, but as outsiders. As the character evolves, Aragorn will grow closer to the Elves in both nature and relationships.
- Note: Christopher often reminds us that Tolkien often doesn’t reject or leave behind earlier concepts, but rather keeps them while choosing to present them differently in the final text.
- At this point, we can see that the unnamed elf is able to tell the difference between the work of a hobbit and a man, while in the final version, Lindir doesn’t suspect any difference.
- As the poem evolves from a purely heroic tale to one of tragedy and transformation of mortals when interacting with the Elves, the authorship also shifts almost entirely to Bilbo.
- The very late addition of Arwen inserts a personal motivation for Aragorn to distance himself from a poem that may offend Elrond, but this already existed before and was recontextualized.
- Note: The metaphor of taste being used for the experience of languages sounds like something from Tolkien’s own academic life, as he writes in a similar way in more fictionally autobiographical works like “The Notion Club Papers”. Tolkien did compare languages to food and wine at times, much like this unnamed elf does with peas of different sizes. Tolkien may have removed this because he would have believed that Elves would not be deaf to the differences to languages, even if they did not understand the words.
- This elf may be teasing Bilbo about the differences between mortal languages, anyway. The teasing tone here is similar to the tone in The Hobbit and between Gildor and Frodo.
- Though the idea of Bilbo going off alone with Frodo and the Ring may have been concerning earlier, but it seems as though the others may have witnessed Bilbo pass the test before.
- Note: Sam will be sent after them very shortly by Gandalf, so he may want to be careful.
- There is a comparison made here between the Elvish love of poetry and the hobbits’ love of food. Bilbo’s assertion that the Elves can sustain themselves on song alone may be partly true.
- More clearly, the role that food plays in Hobbit culture is filled by tales and songs in Elvish culture, in that it is at the heart of their ways of interacting with one another.
- However, Bilbo probably also means this literally, that Elves will choose songs over food.
- Ironically, after having missed dinner and contrasting the Elves love for food with the Hobbit love of food, he chooses to go off for more talk, though of a Hobbit-kind, and not more food.
- There may be parallel between the “good, solid food” in Bree, that Hobbits enjoy, and this kind of Hobbit-talk, and the difference with the high and lofty talk and food of the Elves.
- There’s actually nothing to prevent them from carrying on this kind of talk in the Hall of Fire, as they’d already been talking of the Shire before Bilbo’s poem.
- Frodo’s question about permission to leave shows his concerns about being polite to Elrond.
- Bilbo has gotten used to Rivendell, but even he has shown that he has difficulty staying awake.
- Frodo is still recovering and tired, and Bilbo may be helping to transition him from the feast. The experience of Elvish enchantment might even be a little too much stimulation for Frodo.
- Bilbo is also putting the Hall of Fire into Hobbit terms, saying that this is for fun and not Frodo’s responsibility, and Bilbo is transmitting the rules and customs of Rivendell.
- They leave very circumspectly, though there may be several sets of eyes on them as they go.
- Sam is probably in the enchanted state that Frodo experienced it, as opposed to truly asleep.
- Frodo’s tug of regret shows that Elvish poetry and song is hard to leave behind. The crossing of the threshold in Faerie is a significant event, here with the coincidence of the singer starting.