Tony Meade
Active Member
SESSION 60
Comment on fairness and foulness:
Comment on fairness and foulness:
- In Macbeth, the Witches in the first act speak of “Fair is foul, and foul is fair”. Is there any connection with Frodo’s juxtaposition of fair and foul in his description of Strider?
- In Frodo’s case he is speaking about the difference between appearances and reality.
- Note: It’s possible that Tolkien was influenced by Macbeth, because he explicitly alluded to this on several occasions and in multiple ways. It’s also possible that he just enjoyed the alliteration.
- In Macbeth, he is the victorious general and heroic warrior who wins a battle against rebels.
- Note: James I wrote a book on witches and demonology, and this was influential on Shakespeare’s later plays, as shown here by making the Witches the villains of Macbeth.
- This is the reason that the Witches declare reversals of fair and foul, both in perception and reality. This is both a prophecy and a curse about what is coming for Macbeth.
- Macbeth is as fair as fair gets, being the most faithful and valiant follower of Duncan, the king.
- The Witches are predicting his fall from the height of fairness to the depths of foulness. They are both prophesying this, and also reveling in his fall with pleasure.
- By prophesying to Macbeth about his ascent to king, they are encouraging him to look to fair things in the future, each fairer than the next.
- Immediately after having been promised these fair things, he starts to plot foul things to get them. So, the fair things are made foul, and the foul things are made fair.
- They have also taken his high position of becoming thane and made it small by comparison.
- The Witches are playing with means and ends to confuse fairness and foulness.
- Frodo is not considering means and ends, nor is he confusing fairness with foulness, but he is saying that there is disjunction between what he is perceiving with his senses and what he feels.
- He is also saying that he is experiencing the opposite of what he would expect from a spy of the Enemy. The key words are “seem fairer and feel fouler”.
- Frodo’s words are premised on the idea that fair is fair, and foul is foul, despite appearances.
- Is there an explicit connection between “seeming” with sight? Not literally, though Frodo’s usage mostly points to that. It has to do with physical senses.
- The “feeling” Frodo is referring to has more to do with intuition or spiritual insight, similar to what Gandalf and Elrond reference when he talks about what his heart tells him.
- Is Strider gently mocking Sam for asking for Frodo’s leave to tell him “no” earlier?
- Strider does seem to be echoing Sam’s words, in order to playfully banter with him.
- Note: At the point at which Gandalf receives the message from Radagast about Saruman’s offer of help much has happened. He had been in the Shire in April, then heard something that caused him to leave Bag End to meet with Aragorn at the beginning of May and then leave to eventually meet with Radagast in June. Aragorn’s information comes from this conversation.
- Aragorn had not heard any bad news at the time he saw Gandalf, which allows him to leave Eriador. It’s when he returns that he realizes the Ringwraiths are there and Gandalf is missing.
- Aragorn speaks of Gandalf as missing, as he cannot imagine Gandalf not being where he said he would do. He can only imagine that the Black Riders could be involved at this point.
- Aragorn has had two meetings or contacts with Gildor’s folk, once before Gildor met Frodo informing Aragorn that the Ringwraiths are around.
- Gildor’s folk are not surprised that the Ringwraiths are abroad. Their surprise is that the Black Riders are in the Shire and the hobbits are asking about them.
- Gildor realizes that Frodo was nearly captured by the Enemy in the Shire, and this is why he invites the hobbits to join them on their road for the night.
- Aragorn had another meeting with Gildor’s folk after meeting Frodo, and that’s where he got the information that Frodo was on the road and in danger.
- Gandalf had probably had contact with Gildor, and it was understood that he had taken charge of the business in the Shire, which is why they are surprised that he is not with the hobbits.
- Gildor doesn’t know that Gandalf went to see Saruman, because Gandalf did not meet with anyone else before meeting with Butterbur, leaving Bree, and traveling to Isengard.
- Gildor knew that Gandalf was missing, but his concerned are heightened when he learns that he had a definite meeting point with Frodo, and he did not arrive.
- The concept of Saruman’s treachery is completely foreign to Aragorn at this point; therefore, he can only think that the Nazgûl or Sauron himself as possible reasons to delay Gandalf.
- Note: In the early drafts, Gandalf was actually trapped by the Nazgûl in a tower, and this was the reason for his delay. It’s as if he had been treed like a hunted animal.
- This gives Aragorn the chance to reveal something of Gandalf’s true power to the hobbits.
- Neither Aragorn nor Frodo are willing to say that Gandalf is dead, though that would be the more likely outcome if confronted. The Enemy would not be interested in taking him prisoner.
- This worry about Gandalf’s death is what Aragorn means when he tells them not to lose hope.