Tony Meade
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SESSION 69
Comment on the role of Providence at Weathertop, and overall:
Comment on the role of Providence at Weathertop, and overall:
- Was Strider’s decision to go to Weathertop despite the dangers a nudge from Providence?
- Frodo’s wounding leads to a series of events that allow him to escape the Nazgûl, and for the Riders and their horses to be destroyed, which allows the Fellowship to leave unhindered, etc.
- This is a recurring theme in Tolkien’s works, that seemingly disastrous events, though the only choice at the time, turn out to be uniquely fortunate, as events couldn’t play out otherwise.
- This theme extends to decision making, in which the best of a set of bad decisions is made, and for the right reasons, which lead to unexpected fortunes. Aragorn is the prime example.
- It is difficult to judge what might have happened had a different decision been made, though the narrator explicitly tells us how things would have worked out otherwise in The Hobbit
- Gandalf will explain to Aragorn later how his decisions have been good after the breaking of the Fellowship, and how he couldn’t have done otherwise.
- Strider will rue his decision to take Frodo to Weathertop because of the short-term consequences, though in the long-term things will work out.
- The test does not explicitly say that the series of events following Frodo’s wounding were inevitable, as there are too many variables to make a direct cause and effect.
- Gandalf will point to the direct cause and effect of Merry and Pippin’s capture and how it led to meeting Treebeard and the Ents. The relationship here is not so direct.
- In a sense, Frodo’s struggle following the wound prepares Frodo to resist the Ring later in the story as it gets stronger. The other hobbits are also educated in the nature of the threat.
- Providence is not causing Strider’s decision, but rather working through Strider’s decision. This issue of fate working through free will is another consistent theme in Tolkien’s works.
- The hand of Providence is only clear in retrospect, and only sometimes, as it is not always clear.
- Note: In the Old Testament, God often moves people to do things directly, which is different to what we see here. The text is not concerned with distinctions of fate and free will. In Tolkien, the choices that people matter, but it is through these choices that fate, or Providence moves. Evil choices are still evil, but even bad choices may be used for the ultimate good.
- Why doesn’t Frodo react to the implication that Strider knows Bilbo? Frodo seems surprised that Strider knows Bilbo later in Rivendell, and even surprised to see Bilbo in Rivendell?
- There is a level of affection also implied in Strider’s comment, in that he knew other things.
- They have accepted that Strider is friends with Gandalf, but don’t know anything else about him.
- Strider emphasizes the fact that Bilbo, whether he knows him or not, did not compose the poem, and that this is older lore. He could be referring to this being an unknown translation.
- Only in retrospect does this come across as a familiarity with Bilbo, but here it could be only with the poem. This would not elicit a response from Frodo or make the connection with Bilbo.
- Much happens in quick succession that might have driven this from Frodo’s mind, including Pippin’s and Sam’s discussion and Strider’s admonitions.
- Why doesn’t Strider tell Frodo that Bilbo is alive and well in Rivendell? Bilbo has made it clear that he doesn’t want his whereabouts known, and Aragorn respects his wishes.
- It is also not clear that Bilbo was in Rivendell the last time Strider was there, as Bilbo traveled to Dale at some point. Strider isn’t going to talk about things he doesn’t know for sure.
- Frodo doesn’t ask, and Bilbo never let Frodo know where he was, either, for his own reasons.
- Sam’s awe and reverence for Mr. Bilbo’s being a poet is palpable, and this shows that Bilbo has come a long way from the prosy hobbit he was in “The Unexpected Party”.
- The hyphenated word “book-learned” implies that there are many kinds of learning within the Shire, and not all of them require literacy.
- Sam’s learning his letters might have been seen as time-wasting, but Gaffer allows him to do so, which he later temporizes in The Green Dragon, still apprehensive but defending his decision.
- Bilbo probably offered to teach Sam, though Sam asked for the stories as a young boy.
- It would have been difficult for the Gaffer to say no to Bilbo when he offered to teach Sam, as Bilbo was his employer, though Bilbo would have probably respected his father’s prerogative.
- The Gaffer would see Bilbo as one of his betters, and he may have been apprehensive about Sam getting above himself.
- There is a cache and a sense of pride coming from the Gaffer about having Sam as one of Bilbo’s young favorites, but he would be careful not to appear to be putting on airs.
- The Gaffer had no reason to bring up the fact that Sam has become literate, except pride.