Tony Meade
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SESSION 82
Comment on the intervention of the Valar:
Comment on the intervention of the Valar:
- We know from The Silmarillion that Manwë and Varda assist each other, and that it is through Manwë that Varda can hear the voices in Middle-earth, so it seems likely that she heard Frodo.
- How much of what is seen as Providence comes from the Valar, and how much from Eru?
- Is this the most direct intervention by the Valar that we see in The Lord of the Rings?
- Is Varda’s intervention against the policies of the Valar, or in accord with Manwë?
- The Lord of the Rings allows for readings in which the Valar are sequestered and uninvolved, and those in which they are heavily involved, but in veiled and subtle ways.
- The question of the source of intervention is less distinct in light of the fact that the Valar are delegated power from Ilúvatar and works through them as instruments of his Providence.
- One of the only counterexamples is the relinquishing of intervention of the Valar to Ilúvatar during the invasion of Aman by the Numenoreans, and Eru acts directly.
- The creation of the Dwarves is an example of Aulë doing what he was delegated the power to do in his subcreative act, though it is amended by Ilúvatar because of Aulë’s humility.
- The point of view of the story in The Lord of the Rings is very different from The Silmarillion. The latter is from a mythic and big-picture point of view, while the former is from the Hobbits’.
- We are left to imagine what it would have looked like physically to see the workings of the Valar during the shaping of the world, as opposed to the clear, ground-level view of the Third Age.
- We also don’t know how aware the Children would have been of the works of the Valar at the time, if they were around to witness it, as all that is described are the mythic facts.
- All of the stories of the creation are what was told by the Valar to the Elves, in a metaphor that they could understand, and then preserved and passed on to us through Bilbo’s translations.
- It’s likely that any witness to the works of the Valar would look like natural processes, so the current works of the Valar would likely look like natural forces experienced by people.
- One of the clearer examples is the changing of the wind at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.
- The arrival of the Istari is also an example of intervention, being sent as emissaries of the Valar.
- That said, this intervention of Elbereth’s power on Weathertop is different, if not unique.
- The Valar have learned that appearing to people in their own forms leads to temptation and a fall, looking at the examples of Melkor and Sauron, as well as wars that cause mass destruction.
- Does the name “Elbereth” itself have power? The name is significant, but it is not a magic word.
- It’s possible that the fear of the hobbits makes them more visible, as it may be perceived by the Ringwraiths, though the ability to sense their presence seems limited by distance.
- Frodo has already started entering the wraith world because of his wound, which might make him, but him alone, visible to the Ringwraiths.
- The fact that there may be an active connection between the blade splinter and the Witch-king doesn’t explain why they would be more visible once they exit the trees.
- As far as human allies, if Bill Ferny is working with the Ringwraiths, he would have to be near one of the Ringwraiths in order to communicate their crossing to the wraith,
- Bill Ferny could conceivable arrive there on horseback, as they’ve stolen all the horses in Bree.
- There is no positive evidence for human spies, but the land is large enough that they might not be seen by Frodo or the other hobbit narrators.
- In the tone of this part of the journey, the use of human spies puts the Nazgûl in a weak position in relation to their human servants, which is something that their pride would never allow.
- The Ringwraiths are willing to use others’ resources, but they would never openly rely on others.
- There is a sense of urgency in the pursuit of the Ringwraiths that we assume but may not be true. They have found the Ring and he is succumbing to his wound, so time is on their side.
- Even if the Ringbearer reaches Rivendell, the Ring is not safe there forever, as Sauron can eventually attack Rivendell with his whole army and power and reclaim the Ring that way.
- Sauron may fear that one of the people in Rivendell might claim the Ring and become a rival, but this would also cause dissention division among the Free Peoples, as Gandalf warns.
- Much like Frodo and Sam feel the oppression and weakness of being in Mordor later, the Nazgûl feel this way in the Shire, because the spiritual power of the Shire and the hobbits is strong.
- There seems to have been an upgrade by Sauron in the power of the Nazgûl after their defeat at the Fords and their return to Mordor, which will also weaken Sauron himself, like Morgoth.
- With so many immortal characters, there is a trend towards playing a long-term strategy.
- The landscape is being anthropomorphized again, being attributed actions like the hills shutting them in and the trees piling up over them.
- The reason that they are avoiding climbing is that if the terrain becomes too steep, Frodo will have to dismount and walk. They want to continue to allow him to ride as much as possible.
- Note: There are echoes of the night that Thorin’s Company meet the trolls and the night of the storm in the Misty Mountains in The Hobbit in their journey here. In both cases, the conditions lead them to rash thoughts and actions to escape them. By contrast, Strider and the hobbits are holding to a steely determination to do the right things, in spite of the hobbits’ relative inexperience. By the time Bilbo reached this spot in his journey, he was only just coming to the realization of the difficulties he would face, while these hobbits have already been sorely tested.
- The fact that the other hobbits are focused on Frodo’s comfort and health shows that they are in a good place spiritually, not giving into selfishness and personal discomfort.
- The falls of loosened stone don’t seem to be an indication that someone is following them.
- Note: There is no evidence that Gollum is following them, nor that he ever crossed west of the Misty Mountains in his life. Aragorn will say later that Gollum picked up their trail in Moria.
- Likewise, the stealthy night noises seem to be natural sounds in the forest in the night.
- The use of the capitalized West to describe the wind direction seems to be related to the general area, not anything more significant, though it’s possible that other powers are at work.