Luthien's spindle and distaff (& "tree" loom)

Odola

Odola

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Metal takhli spindle ideas:

Those seem like elvish spindles - of the kind Luthien would have - (like the lights effect)


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This seems something Luthien would like:
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Tahkli Style Support Spindle No.654 - Floral Filigree - Choice of Shaft & Crystal Colors - FREE SHIPPING

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Tibetan Style Support Spindle No.613 - Heavier Weight-Larger Shaft, Chinese Dragon and Phoenix, 9 Shaft Colors - FREE SHIPPING

TIBETAN STYLE SUPPORT SPINDLE No.642 - CHINESE PHOENIX & DRAGON - Heavier Weight - Larger Diameter .134" dia. Shaft with 1.5" Antique Brass Finished (Chinese Dragon and Phoenix) Alloy Whorl, a Multi-Crystal Bead Spacer, Clear Faceted Crystal Bead, and Gold Tone/Plated Findings- Choose from 9...
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Wooden supported spindle ideas:
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Mirkwoord Arts Boromir, Eowyn, Frodo, Phil Powell Russians (3x), Tinasangoras Phang, Enid Ashcroft Pocket Tibetan, TwistedGrain Contingency

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Choosing A Supported Spindle Photos

Here are some photos that go with The Peahen’s Ponderings Episode 5, Choosing a Supported Spindle. These five supported spindles — all Spanish Peacock beads and Ninja — are my go-…
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Wood/glass suported spindles:

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Top whorl drop spindles for silk: (top whorl spindles are relatively modern, more for beginners, but might be easier for an actress to handle)

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Distaffs:

Silver distaff (Roman time)

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DISTAFF SEARCH — CONCEPT REALIZATIONS

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Roman style bronze ring distaff

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Spinnrocken, Fingerkunkel, Bronze

An einem Rocken wurde die gekämmte Rohwolle befestigt, aus der dann mit Hilfe einer Spinnwirtel ein Faden gesponnen werden konnte.
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Left to right: Roman bone distaff with carved female figure, spindle and reproduction ring distaff with red eri silk, Roman bronze distaff, Roman glass distaff, 3-D-printed replica distaff. Photos by George Boe.

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5 Tips for Spinning with a Distaff

A nifty tool to manage your fiber
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Amber distaff - Roman times - barbaricum:
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Wodden distAFF
The Lendbreen Distaff
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weaving in hight:
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Etruscan multistorey loom

Lady in long dress (pretending to be) weaving:

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tree nets:



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Nature Weaving Loom - Irvine Nature Center

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Weaving Tree -

I want to introduce you to our weaving tree. We have a fairly large backyard, and this is a semi-permanent destination we created for nature weaving.
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I do find a supported spindle far more suited for spinning in a tree that a free drop one, as a latter one would fall to the ground ultimately (and the spun thread would get entagled in the branches below). A supported takhli is also well suited for silk spinning.
 
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an idea for Vairë's looms?

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While Native American tradition seems to be weaving bottom to top - and so seems Ancient Egypt's and some of Near East - most of the Old World tradition seems to be weaving top to bottom - which does suit the "hanging from the tree branch" situation well. But I've attached the warp beam to the branch the "Native American way" in the first picture - as this seemed to make the most practical sense.
 
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So the possible steps that I see for the montage:

Fiber extraction:
- growing hair long
- cutting a handfull stand hair of and winding it into a loose round ball and lie in a basket untill there are several of those

Spinning:
- piercing a roving ball with the distaff and then support spinning
- the spun thread is wind of from the spindle into a ball - a nostepinne might be used
(- additionally - plying can be shown when two or more singles (single threads) are twined together- is a special form of spinning, as it is just twining without drafting - this step could be assumed and not shown, or whown - one just spins from two or more single thread balls - plying is necessary for the stronger warp threads, those that hang down with the weights attached - if that is shown, wodden yarn bowls would come very handy)

Weaving:
- the ready thread is then wound onto the shuttles (simple stick shuttles - I would assume?)
- the warp then is prepared (which best show only partialy, as it is a long and difficult process - maybe using the Navajo style method - if this is how our warp beam/cloth beam works [it is the one shown in my picture above] - if we choose to have the top of the loom done the Old World way, we would need to make the tree branch a little more complictated - as the cloth bar rotates in those styles - and I do not think that we really do need this specific function here)
- then I would have Daeron attaching the first upper top beam (tension bar) to the choosen tree branch [if we go wih the Nawajo style loom top]
- then I would have Daeron help Luthien to attach the warp beam/cloth beam onto the top beam at the both ends and maybe though the warp threads at certain intervals in the middle
- then comes the attaching the weights to the bottom of the warp threads (might be done per hand or maybe just by thowing them and having them magically attach to the hanging threads - as elvish threads might behave like elvish rope and do what they are told to)
- inserting the shed rod/shed bar
(- inserting the lease rods/lease sticks - if needed)
- the weaving itself (the fastest part part of the process - a weaving sword used the beat the weft threads together - as far I understand we do not have a heddle as we do not have where to rest it - and having one would make not much sense given the width of the fabric- so the separation of the front and back warp threads would be done manually - not a problem for a skilled elf (while a complete nightmare for a human - still the oldest depictions and the "historic" ones depicting ancient looms above are heddle-less)

After-processing:
- taking the work from the loom

[tailoring if needed - that's tricky in the confinement of the tree house imho]

finishing the cloak off - attaching the bands/strips/ribbons for fastening - hems - hood - embroidery - whatever
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Is any weaver-reenactor here to see this through? - I can vouch for the spinning part - but big weaving I never had the patience (even the mere thought of warping makes me feel exhousted - I do not need to do it) and space to attempt - I am more a naalbinding/sprang type...
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wodden yarn bowls:

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Wodden nostepinnes:

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Here the distaff - it was a bit more complicated to create - had to switch to another software to finish it up, but finally here it comes - with the nightingale on top

(View in 3D)

hopefully the leaves will not break off in printing
 
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