SwallowedUpInVictory
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What does Dwarvish sound like for you? I want to elicit the sound of the Dwarvish tongue without influence from PJs interpretation.
"they could not conceal their voices. Phonetically they were acute and could pronounce learned languages well, but their voices were very deep in tone with laryngeal coloration, and they among themselves spoke in a laryngeal whisper."
Can someone (a linguist maybe) give an example of a typical layngeal language? I want to know what I can compare Dwarvish to and listen to some examples on youtube as I am missing knowledge. Or maybe there is a recording of JRR or Christopher talking in Dwarvish?
In my imagination Dwarvish sounds like Yiddish because Tolkien said once that in his mind Durin's folk reminds him of the Jewish people. Yiddish has strong correlations with German which is a language I know well and which sounds rough to many ears. Of course German is a language Tolkien had affection to and could speak quite well. I also find garden gnomes (Gartenzwerge = garden dwarves) have a rabbinic appearance with their long beards and white hair. (Don't get me wrong. I don't want to insult anyone. I honour love the Jewish people and culture.) This is a personal theory but probably wrong. I hope one of you can give me other inspirations.
Speaking of garden gnomes... I was listening to the early HoME series from Mythgard Academy in the last weeks and I wonder if garden gnomes were the reason why the characterization of Dwarves changed so much around the time of writing the Hobbit, from evil to ambiguous to good. Similar to the Elves' backstory, Tolkien may have incorporated changes into his legend to explain why we think of them so different now. With the Elves it was their dwindeling over time which caused that people only think of little Tinkerbell nowadays, while with the Dwarfes he had to modify their eagerness in order to have a continuum to today's whim of garden gnomes. People think of them as cute and funny and that does not fit at all to Mim from the Book of Lost Tales and Nordic traditions. John Garth says "Thanks to the later British fad for ornamental garden gnomes (not so named until 1938), gnome is now liable to raise a smirk, and Tolkien eventually abandoned it." Tolkien abandoned the name but he could not leave all the stage to Walt Disney. He therefore invented Dwarves more ambiguous to reconcile the past with the present.
"they could not conceal their voices. Phonetically they were acute and could pronounce learned languages well, but their voices were very deep in tone with laryngeal coloration, and they among themselves spoke in a laryngeal whisper."
Can someone (a linguist maybe) give an example of a typical layngeal language? I want to know what I can compare Dwarvish to and listen to some examples on youtube as I am missing knowledge. Or maybe there is a recording of JRR or Christopher talking in Dwarvish?
In my imagination Dwarvish sounds like Yiddish because Tolkien said once that in his mind Durin's folk reminds him of the Jewish people. Yiddish has strong correlations with German which is a language I know well and which sounds rough to many ears. Of course German is a language Tolkien had affection to and could speak quite well. I also find garden gnomes (Gartenzwerge = garden dwarves) have a rabbinic appearance with their long beards and white hair. (Don't get me wrong. I don't want to insult anyone. I honour love the Jewish people and culture.) This is a personal theory but probably wrong. I hope one of you can give me other inspirations.
Speaking of garden gnomes... I was listening to the early HoME series from Mythgard Academy in the last weeks and I wonder if garden gnomes were the reason why the characterization of Dwarves changed so much around the time of writing the Hobbit, from evil to ambiguous to good. Similar to the Elves' backstory, Tolkien may have incorporated changes into his legend to explain why we think of them so different now. With the Elves it was their dwindeling over time which caused that people only think of little Tinkerbell nowadays, while with the Dwarfes he had to modify their eagerness in order to have a continuum to today's whim of garden gnomes. People think of them as cute and funny and that does not fit at all to Mim from the Book of Lost Tales and Nordic traditions. John Garth says "Thanks to the later British fad for ornamental garden gnomes (not so named until 1938), gnome is now liable to raise a smirk, and Tolkien eventually abandoned it." Tolkien abandoned the name but he could not leave all the stage to Walt Disney. He therefore invented Dwarves more ambiguous to reconcile the past with the present.
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