Session 1.6
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NotACat
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There's got to be some kind of irony there, right? Would it be excessive to have someone actually call that out at some point?
Míriel: He shall be called "Spirit of Fire"!
Námo: OK…this could go either way, but I'm not looking forward to finding out!
Námo: OK…this could go either way, but I'm not looking forward to finding out!
ouzaru
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Fea is closer to "soul" than "spirit". I really actually like the notion that we could linguistically foreshadow Feanor by having him have a sobriquet similar to that of the Balrogs, but Fea really isn't the right term for what the Maiar are. So what would the right word be?
Actually, one possibility would be....
fairë(1) noun "phantom, disembodied spirit, when seen as a pale shape" (pl. fairi in Markirya); compare ausa. The noun fairë was also used = "spirit (in general)", as a kind of being (MR:349, PE17:124). In VT43:37 and VT44:17, fairë refers to the Holy Spirit (fairë aista or Aina Fairë)
Not surprisingly, Tolkien toyed with a lot of different meaning for the word fairë! But 'spirit' or 'ghost' does seem to be one of them
I agree that the Maiar/Valar/Ainur do not have fëar, as that word is more appropriately applied to incarnate beings (elves, men, possibly dwarves) Tolkien did use 'fëa' at least once in reference to the Holy Spirit, but the other uses are consistent.
Not to be confused with.....
fana noun term denoting the "veils" or "raiment" in which the Valar presented themselves to physical eyes, the bodies in which they were self-incarnated, usually in the shape of the bodies of Elves (and Men) (RGEO:74, PE17:173-180). According to PE17:26, fana may be said to mean “shape” with “added notion” of light and whiteness, “it is thus often used where we might use ‘a vision’ – of something beautiful or sublime”, yet with no connotation of “uncertainty or unreality”.
Fana would then be the equivalent of hroa, but for the Ainur/Valar/Maiar.
fairë(1) noun "phantom, disembodied spirit, when seen as a pale shape" (pl. fairi in Markirya); compare ausa. The noun fairë was also used = "spirit (in general)", as a kind of being (MR:349, PE17:124). In VT43:37 and VT44:17, fairë refers to the Holy Spirit (fairë aista or Aina Fairë)
Not surprisingly, Tolkien toyed with a lot of different meaning for the word fairë! But 'spirit' or 'ghost' does seem to be one of them
I agree that the Maiar/Valar/Ainur do not have fëar, as that word is more appropriately applied to incarnate beings (elves, men, possibly dwarves
) Tolkien did use 'fëa' at least once in reference to the Holy Spirit, but the other uses are consistent. Not to be confused with.....
fana noun term denoting the "veils" or "raiment" in which the Valar presented themselves to physical eyes, the bodies in which they were self-incarnated, usually in the shape of the bodies of Elves (and Men) (RGEO:74, PE17:173-180). According to PE17:26, fana may be said to mean “shape” with “added notion” of light and whiteness, “it is thus often used where we might use ‘a vision’ – of something beautiful or sublime”, yet with no connotation of “uncertainty or unreality”.
Fana would then be the equivalent of hroa, but for the Ainur/Valar/Maiar.
Haha, so it seems the entire discussion here was on what name to give Gothmog before he falls. Which was then kinda just dismissed other than 'don't call him Gothmog'
Anyway, here is the script outline for Episode 4:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11nA2mm5XaqNaAKsa75eLf1LVDAwv1Moc-YThbUMr7Pk/edit?pref=2&pli=1
And the discussion to develop this outline is here:
Everyone is welcome to join in on these discussions and to make suggestions for improving the episode outlines. The goal is to come up with a solid outline for each episode in the first season and then present them to the 'execs' for review - so the more eyes that see them, the better! We've had to flesh out some of the ideas from the original podcasts and create scenes to show the particular themes and interactions we wanted to see...but what we've done thus far is by no means the only way to go about things...so, please speak up in the coming weeks!
Anyway, here is the script outline for Episode 4:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11nA2mm5XaqNaAKsa75eLf1LVDAwv1Moc-YThbUMr7Pk/edit?pref=2&pli=1
And the discussion to develop this outline is here:
Everyone is welcome to join in on these discussions and to make suggestions for improving the episode outlines. The goal is to come up with a solid outline for each episode in the first season and then present them to the 'execs' for review - so the more eyes that see them, the better! We've had to flesh out some of the ideas from the original podcasts and create scenes to show the particular themes and interactions we wanted to see...but what we've done thus far is by no means the only way to go about things...so, please speak up in the coming weeks!
Well, if you have a proposed change that you'd like to discuss with people first, then, sure, go right ahead and post here.
If you are ready to edit the script outline yourself, you can click on the Google Doc link and edit it. We ask that rather than deleting things, people use 'strikethrough' so we can track changes, and that you color code your comments so it is clear who is adding what. Google docs allow you to add 'comments' explaining the change, if you think that would be helpful.
And, if you are free during the discussion time, feel free to contribute 'live' to the script outline. We will be discussing Episodes 6 and 7 this Saturday evening at 7 PM EST.
See this link for the upcoming script discussion information:
http://forums.signumuniversity.org/...ript-discussion-episodes-6-and-7-we-hope.162/
If you are ready to edit the script outline yourself, you can click on the Google Doc link and edit it. We ask that rather than deleting things, people use 'strikethrough' so we can track changes, and that you color code your comments so it is clear who is adding what. Google docs allow you to add 'comments' explaining the change, if you think that would be helpful.
And, if you are free during the discussion time, feel free to contribute 'live' to the script outline. We will be discussing Episodes 6 and 7 this Saturday evening at 7 PM EST.
See this link for the upcoming script discussion information:
http://forums.signumuniversity.org/...ript-discussion-episodes-6-and-7-we-hope.162/
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I'm not sure that I understand this correctly but in Act III there are a lot of meetings between Ulmo and Melkor. It seems that there ought to be a solution to this where they meet just once, or twice with Aulë calling Valar to introduce the idea of the Lamps in between. Ulmo doesn't have to listen to that and Melkor could come late. Or maybe that's what you're proposing already and I'm just confused.
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Yes, that is what is being proposed - one meeting between Ulmo and Melkor. The format being used for these outlines involves 'summarizing' the act and then breaking it out in detail. I think. I'm a bit hazy on script-specific creative writing conventions myself.
Nicholas Palazzo
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Yeah, I think that most of us have never done anything like this before, so there are bound to be things that confuse everybody now and again.