Nicholas Palazzo
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And, though it seems for a moment that Fingolfin will take the bait, he decides against it, once again.
Let me just say that I'm not the person to write believable party dialogue.So...Mereth Aderthad will be an ensemble episode with many, many people there and interacting for the only time in the series. We should take full advantage of that and think through who we want to have talk to whom about what.
I agree. His welcome to the Feanorians will be stiff at best, if not cold. And we can show him being part of whatever argument happens, though probably without starting it.Turgon hates Fëanoreans and probably only invited them to his party grudgingly because his father told him to. Okay, so Turgon is not a 10 year old throwing a birthday party, but I do think there is some grudging acceptance that anyone from East Beleriand is showing up at all. Though as host, he's not going to go around trying to start fights. Holding the party in Nevrast is only 'centrally located' if you pretend East Beleriand doesn't exist.
IMO the Doriath contigent should be official ambassadors. Daeron should come, and meet Maglor. On the other hand we can leave Beleg out. The episode will be crowded with so many characters as it is, and he didn't attend in the book.Beleg and Mablung and Lúthien - they are there for a party, and to meet the newcomers. Lúthien will be the ultimate peacemaker, and she's there to help everyone choose to get along. She might not like all the Noldor she meets, but she's certainly willing to give them a chance and treats them kindly. What are Beleg and Mablung up to? And does Daeron come along?
I see potential for conflict between the House of Finarfin and the House of Feanor going down the line with the Ban, since at least one of the Feanoreans will think that someone in the House of Finarfin ratted them out to Thingol and this is why there's a Ban.
I agree with both of these. Rog needs to escape before the majority of the traitors are revealed, before all escaped captives become suspect.when should Rog escape and when should the possible treachery of the prisoners of Angband, with some as spies for the enemy, be known? Because this will impact Rog being accepted back into Fingolfin/Fingon's circle. If it happens too late, he won't be accepted because the Elves will be wary of any Elves that escape from Angband.
But Celeborn has a sister. It was already decided that any siblings (such as Elwe and Olwe) must have a mother who gave birth to them, and a father. Obviously, Celeborn had biological parents. And whenever they've been mentioned, I thought the name Galadhon was suggested.On the few occasions when the possibility of Celeborn having a father has come up, Corey Olsen has been quick to point out that he does not in our project, both back in Season 2 when Celeborn was a teenager at Cuiviénen, and as recently as last session. So, yes, convincing him to include Celeborn's father at all seems to be an uphill battle at this point. It is possible he has conflated the name of Elmo (which he is viscerally opposed to using) with the role of Celeborn's father Galadhon, though, so if you do want to bring it up as a possibility, I strongly recommend making that distinction clear - that you DON'T mean Elmo, but rather Galadhon.
I don't know what you have planned for presenting this, but it probably deserves some level of background. It could be easy for Corey to dismiss it out of hand. I'm trying to track down some of our conversations about it, and WOW are we ever all over the place. You do NOT have an easy job here haha. I'm going to spend my lunch break searching for some material to represent our reasoning.When should the Kinslaying be revealed to Thingol?
- Canonically, after the Dagor Aglareb
- Requested: Prior to Dagor Aglareb
- Many steps to unfold, with Galadriel not moving to Doriath until after the Mereth Aderthad
I'm going to spend my lunch break searching for some material to represent our reasoning.
Sounds about right.Right.
So, here's the history.
The book has the Kinslaying reveal after the Battle.
The Hosts suggested having it before, and then using the Battle to unite the division and show some of the 'working together' (including the building of Nargothrond) happening after the reveal. [Ange1e4e5 really likes this idea.]
Then the Hosts detailed Galadriel's history, which includes moving to Doriath after the Mereth Aderthad, and telling Celeborn about the full Kinslaying prior to Thingol finding out about it. To incorporate that storyline, we bumped the Kinslaying reveal back further....to after the battle.
I've shifted Ulmo's dreams forward (to Episode 6), but while that might give Thingol time to introduce Finrod and Norn before the Reveal, it does mean that Finrod is likely in Menegroth to get help with Nargothrond when the Kinslaying comes to light, which might have a more dramatic impact on that storyline than we anticipated!
So, those three storylines (Galadriel/Celeborn, Finrod building Nargothrond, and the Dagor Aglareb) need to be reconciled with the Kinslaying reveal (currently slotted for episode 9). That's one item we need to discuss next Friday!
Yeah, a Kinslaying reveal at that point and Nargothrond still under construction would be... troublesome. Thingol would be more reluctant to help, and indeed he provides as little help as possible from that point onward in the efforts against Morgoth.Yes, both Finrod and Angrod are present in Menegroth for the Kinslaying reveal in the book. Nargothrond is already built, though, and Finrod is visiting from Nargothrond in that scene (as written).
We will have Finrod, Angrod, and Galadriel present in Menegroth, and while Nargothrond may be started, it is unlikely that it will be completely built at that point. We'll....have to work that out.
If Finrod still needs help from Thingol, and Thingol's angry because he just found out that (say) Fëanor killed his brother Olwë (he's not going to find out that detail, probably, but still...Kinslaying).....this could put Finrod in a really difficult situation!
Anyone else wish to comment?
I'm worried about Fingolfin. All of the ideas that I've read, really great ideas, dive right down to character for most of these players, but Fingolfin seems so... bird's eye to me still. I understand the list of actions he's going to take, but I haven't felt an increasing understanding of what he's like as a person, the same way I have for most of the others on that list.
For Sauron, "independence' while Morgoth is away corrupting Men.
I've lost track of where we are on the Telchar/Eol relationship, and exactly when it happened/happens. Does "teacher" fit in there for her this season?