Rob Harding
Well-Known Member
I think the thing I’m conscious of is when you are telling a story in a visual medium, whenever you can, show it rather than talk about it. Having her die off screen, or even on screen but as a throw away, is far less satisfying.
I personally had one idea that introduces Thuringwethil as a direct threat to our heroes and ties her story into theirs and justifies her dramatic demise without exposing her at large. But I honestly I dont know how people will respond to it. My use is to have Thuringwethil (perhaps having separated from Sauron based on his rasher, power driven motives) try to help his plans in her own secretive manner by acting as a seductress to Beren in the wild, understanding even one lone figure can pose a threat (she’d surely recognise that truth). And maybe visits Beren on the boundaries of Doriath and attempts to seduce him.
She could be this recurring shadow following them throughout their journey and popping up when Beren is alone. I think it’s be inaccurate to have him actually seduced (though I’m probably more flexible on that than others) but it’d be interesting if he never mentions to Luthien he keeps being visited by this woman. He should feel some kinship with her that makes him value this bizarre connection. And maybe Thuringwethil gains something too. Maybe she recognises something in him, someone who listens now Sauron won’t. I don’t want a romantic relationship per say, but I hint of trouble that threatens the core relationship we care about. Ongoing drama that followers our heroes about. She is a potential test on this burgeoning relationship between man and elf.
I like the idea of there being a real sense of seeing the choice of Beren and Luthien to be with one another and rejecting other choices. But it also sets Thuringwethil up as an antagonist not only physically but relationally. And when she takes human form in the final battle and Beren recognises her, boy oh boy, he’d be angry.
She could even be going after Luthien as Luthien goes after Sauron and Beren ends his fight with (Gorgol???) and chooses to fight this threat to Luthien physically and relationally. He lets go of all other pulls, be it vengeance or the choice of easier to understand partners, and commits fully to leave who he was being and being Luthien’s entirely. She doesn’t need to make that choice. She made it long ago at their first meeting. Maybe the fact she doesn’t seem to struggle with choices and loyalties is something Beren finds hard, how does he know she chose him really if it took no strain. Maybe that idea is something he snd Thuringwethil bond over. But really, the audience has been in Menegroth and seen Luthien torn between Beren and her people. She just doesn’t emote as eagerly and as suddenly as him. She mulls things longer. But she never doubted her choice in him. That shows real difference between man and elf and a great tension between them that is reconciled in this big dramatic fight where Beren realises all other paths are futile and hollow and unfulfilling; setting up the pair to be stronger than ever as they head of to face Morgoth.
I personally had one idea that introduces Thuringwethil as a direct threat to our heroes and ties her story into theirs and justifies her dramatic demise without exposing her at large. But I honestly I dont know how people will respond to it. My use is to have Thuringwethil (perhaps having separated from Sauron based on his rasher, power driven motives) try to help his plans in her own secretive manner by acting as a seductress to Beren in the wild, understanding even one lone figure can pose a threat (she’d surely recognise that truth). And maybe visits Beren on the boundaries of Doriath and attempts to seduce him.
She could be this recurring shadow following them throughout their journey and popping up when Beren is alone. I think it’s be inaccurate to have him actually seduced (though I’m probably more flexible on that than others) but it’d be interesting if he never mentions to Luthien he keeps being visited by this woman. He should feel some kinship with her that makes him value this bizarre connection. And maybe Thuringwethil gains something too. Maybe she recognises something in him, someone who listens now Sauron won’t. I don’t want a romantic relationship per say, but I hint of trouble that threatens the core relationship we care about. Ongoing drama that followers our heroes about. She is a potential test on this burgeoning relationship between man and elf.
I like the idea of there being a real sense of seeing the choice of Beren and Luthien to be with one another and rejecting other choices. But it also sets Thuringwethil up as an antagonist not only physically but relationally. And when she takes human form in the final battle and Beren recognises her, boy oh boy, he’d be angry.
She could even be going after Luthien as Luthien goes after Sauron and Beren ends his fight with (Gorgol???) and chooses to fight this threat to Luthien physically and relationally. He lets go of all other pulls, be it vengeance or the choice of easier to understand partners, and commits fully to leave who he was being and being Luthien’s entirely. She doesn’t need to make that choice. She made it long ago at their first meeting. Maybe the fact she doesn’t seem to struggle with choices and loyalties is something Beren finds hard, how does he know she chose him really if it took no strain. Maybe that idea is something he snd Thuringwethil bond over. But really, the audience has been in Menegroth and seen Luthien torn between Beren and her people. She just doesn’t emote as eagerly and as suddenly as him. She mulls things longer. But she never doubted her choice in him. That shows real difference between man and elf and a great tension between them that is reconciled in this big dramatic fight where Beren realises all other paths are futile and hollow and unfulfilling; setting up the pair to be stronger than ever as they head of to face Morgoth.
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