Halstein
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Hi.
Listening to ep. 28, I came to think of some points. This might not be straight forward questions, but I hope you bear with me.
Old Man Willow's singing might have a sort of precedent, as Orpheus is somewhat associated with willows, and was said to have gotten his singing ability after touching a willow in a sacred grove. He could influence his listeners a bit with his song, according to the myths. Lyres also often had sound-boxes made of willow-wood.
In some British folk-lore, willows could up-root and stalk travelers at night, and weeping willows had a questionable reputation too, and was sometimes associated with death. Might these things have influenced Tolkien's choice of tree-species?
Old Man Willow is also pushing Frodo under the water. Might this be a attempt at the ring, as "The Watcher in the water" might be doing later? Maybe catch the Ring on one of his roots, and then cover the earth with willow-forests?
Then to Tom Bombadil. His jacket is blue. This colour is often associated with the the Virgin Mary and hope, as mentioned. However in Norwegian fairy-tales the colour blue is associated with the "Hulder"-people and the "underjordiske" (sub-terrain) folk, part of the faerie of Norway. "The blue people" are actually a name used in some of the faerie-tales for the "underjordiske"-people. Is it likely that Tolkien knew any of this lore?
As to Tom running off without taking the Hobbits along. He might think/know they were no longer in any actual physical danger, so he might have thought it safe to leave them. Angry trees might not be something he feared. Tom seems a bit cavalier about most things, and had also invited them, so he might run a head to get food and baths ready, and tell Goldberry. Tom might not actually be "bad" when leaving the Hobbits, as he probably felt they were safe.
Finally what I find significant about Tom, is that he is master, but not "master of". Is this important?
This did become a bit rambling, but hopefully understandable.
P.S. Listening to something and typing something else in English, might have overtaxed my English-skills, so I have edited to try to be more clear.
Listening to ep. 28, I came to think of some points. This might not be straight forward questions, but I hope you bear with me.
Old Man Willow's singing might have a sort of precedent, as Orpheus is somewhat associated with willows, and was said to have gotten his singing ability after touching a willow in a sacred grove. He could influence his listeners a bit with his song, according to the myths. Lyres also often had sound-boxes made of willow-wood.
In some British folk-lore, willows could up-root and stalk travelers at night, and weeping willows had a questionable reputation too, and was sometimes associated with death. Might these things have influenced Tolkien's choice of tree-species?
Old Man Willow is also pushing Frodo under the water. Might this be a attempt at the ring, as "The Watcher in the water" might be doing later? Maybe catch the Ring on one of his roots, and then cover the earth with willow-forests?
Then to Tom Bombadil. His jacket is blue. This colour is often associated with the the Virgin Mary and hope, as mentioned. However in Norwegian fairy-tales the colour blue is associated with the "Hulder"-people and the "underjordiske" (sub-terrain) folk, part of the faerie of Norway. "The blue people" are actually a name used in some of the faerie-tales for the "underjordiske"-people. Is it likely that Tolkien knew any of this lore?
As to Tom running off without taking the Hobbits along. He might think/know they were no longer in any actual physical danger, so he might have thought it safe to leave them. Angry trees might not be something he feared. Tom seems a bit cavalier about most things, and had also invited them, so he might run a head to get food and baths ready, and tell Goldberry. Tom might not actually be "bad" when leaving the Hobbits, as he probably felt they were safe.
Finally what I find significant about Tom, is that he is master, but not "master of". Is this important?
This did become a bit rambling, but hopefully understandable.
P.S. Listening to something and typing something else in English, might have overtaxed my English-skills, so I have edited to try to be more clear.
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