Swords

Hmmm, an elvish translation of a mythological sword name is pretty cool. I don't dislike that idea.

I was going to say, though, that just as there is no need for us to maintain the idea from PJ's films that Hadhafang was Idril's sword passed on to Elrond, so too we shouldn't take the name of Fëanor's sword from MERP. We should name it ourselves (or possibly not at all...but yes, probably name it ourselves).
 
Yeah I'm not opposed to the idea of using occasional easter egg references of that type but I want to choose to do it selectively, where we deliberately wish to. Things like Feanor's sword we probably want to name ourselves. If, for example, he had a horse that was named somewhere else (in fandom, that is), I wouldn't mind borrowing that name as a nod to the other source. But the sword is a bit too prominent to cede the naming rights.
 
well naming rights... i believe the spelling should be revised anyway.ankarunya or ankaruine is not a bad name.. and it's not entirely the name merp used.
 
I do not dislike it, no, just wanted to be careful not to 'borrow' from another source.
I agree with giving Fëanor's sword a Quenya name; he never learned Sindarin, any way.


Some name elements to consider (from Ardalambion's Quettaparma Quenyanna); I'll look up more options after perusing the mythological list:

SHARP maica (piercing), aica (fell, terrible, dire; this gloss "sharp" is isolated from one translation of Aicanáro:) SHARP-FLAME Aicanáro "Fell Fire, Aegnor" (so in Silm:435; MR:323 has Aicanár) In the printed Etymologies, a word for "keen, sharp, acute" is given as "laike" in the entry LAIK, but not only is this a misreading for "laika" (VT45:25): the conceptual validity of this word may be questioned because laika, laica is the word for "green" in later sources. –Silm:434, AYAK, MR:323, LAIK


FIERY uruitë, úruva (The stem from which these words are derived was struck out in Etym. However, several words that must be derived from this stem occur in LotR, indicating that Tolkien restored it. LT1:248 also gives sára "fiery", but this word is probably obsoleted by sára "bitter" in Etym.) –UR


FLAME nár, nárë (also translated "fire"), velca; SHARP-FLAME Aicanáro (so in Silm:435; MR:323 has Aicanár), (Aegnor, Fell Fire), RED FLAME rúnya; HEART OF FLAME Naira (a name of the Sun), FLAME-COLOURED culina, culda (golden-red) –NAR1, LT1:260, Silm:437, MR:198, KUL


FLASHING OR [?STARRY] LIGHT élë –VT45:12


FORTH et- (prefix) (out). Also attested with various pronominal suffixes, e.g. etel or etelyë *”out of you”. GO FORTH TOWARDS tenta-, pa.t. tentanë(with the thing approached as direct object). –ET, VT49:12, 23

STABBING SWORD (short) ecet (broad-bladed sword) –UT:284/432
SWORD macil; BROAD SWORD lango (also = prow of a ship), LARGE SWORD falquan; SHORT STABBING SWORD, BROAD-BLADED SWORD ecet, SWORD BLADE maica(also blade of any cutting tool or weapon, but esp. sword-blade), †russë (corruscation), SWORDSMAN macar. –MAK/LT1:259/VT39:11/VT45:32, LAG, LT2:341, UT:284/432, VT39:11, RUS, VT39:11


 
i like aica better than anca... perhaps aicarunya or aicaruine?
I agree: aica is better than anca.

Question: in Quenya, which comes first, noun or adjective? That is, would you say "the red light" as in English or "the light red" as in French (well, sometimes, anyway...)?
 
i believe quenya is pretty much flexible in those terms... calmacil - lightsword but sangahyando -throng-cleaver
 
Based on the Quenya article on Ardalambion, I would tentatively suggest adjective first, then noun:

http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/quenya.htm#Heading10

But it is by no means clear to me that that is the only correct way to do this. Most compounds are both nouns, I think.

Adding this root:
ENEMY cotumoKOT

We could make a name something like 'towards my foe': Tentacotumonya
But that's a bit unwieldy, so maybe rather Cotumonyannar = to my enemies (allative case)
-nya = my
-r = plural (for enemies)
-nna = allative case (to)

Yeah, coining elvish words is *not* my strong suit! I wanted to play with that root since it would be related to the Moringotto name from way back whenever that was.
 
i believe quenya is pretty much flexible in those terms... calmacil - lightsword but sangahyando -throng-cleaver

Sword-of-light and Cleaver-of-throng(s) would have the same structure in your examples. These are compounds made up of two nouns put together, and by far the most common way to form a compound, I think.

Calma = light
Macil = sword

Calmacil = sword of light

Sanga = throng
Hyando = cleaver

Sangahyando = cleaver of throng
 
Anna is the word for gift. -nna is the allative case ending. I couldn't leave 'my' out because...Fëanor.

Cotumoranna *could* mean 'gift for foes' I suppose.....but would likely come out as 'gift of foes' instead.

I could use genitive rather than allative case, I suppose: foe's gift
But I dont' know how to put together cotumo + -r + -0 + anna + (possibly) -nya

Blegh.
 
well sangahyando is attested as a swordname in some wordlist, though tolkien only recycled the name later as a personal name for a heir of castamir.he could have been named after feanors sword... after all he was a dunadan-supremacist
 
So which characters would be suited for each type of weapon, i.e. who would be suited for a falchion?
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Just about anyone who is not fighting foes in armor. The falchion is fantastic for chopping folks up, not so good for getting through plate armor.
 
thought we don't have real plate armour... only chain, ring and scale... and maybe splinter mail?

I don't know... do we want to make tha Falchion a "lower class" weapon or do we also give falchions to nobility? Do we give them to Horsemen? I think falchions would be quite good to chop up mounts, but are they effective to be used by cavalry too?
 
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Even chain mail is pretty resistant to cuts. add a good gambeson, and a falchion will have quite the hard time getting through.

Given that we have plenty of art of knights using falchion, I think we could safely consider the myth that the falchion was a peasants weapon successfully debunked.

Matt Easton has done a few good videos about them, like this one:

 
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