Ennikan
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After catching up and being current pre-Covid, I completely lost touch with the course for over a year - but have finally got back into the swing and once again am catching up. I'm still only on episode 150, where we're discussing Aragorn's fortunate finding of Gollum.
At one point the discussion revolves around Gollum's connection to hobbits, and Prof. Corey suggests that we ought to be careful not to connect the people's too closely, in fact I believe he said he thought we might be doing just that. This revolved around Gollum's changes over the years, his ability to use his teeth as a weapon as one example.
Today I was reading Appendix A, however, and I came across this on when reading on the fall of the Northern Kingdom:
"It was at this time that the Stoors that had dwelt in the Angle (between Hoarwell and Loudwater) fled west and south, because of the wars, and the dread of Angmar, and because of the land and clime of Eriador, especially in the east, worsened and became unfriendly. Some returned to Wilderland, and dwelt beside the Gladden, becoming a riverside people of fishers."
We know the Stoors are thedescendants ancestors of hobbits, and who else could these riverside people be other than Smeagol's people? Certainly there could and would be changes from the time of the Stoors to the time of Smeagol and the Baggins family, but it seems the connection is undeniable. I don't in fact think it is overblown at all. (Maybe this was discussed later and I have not yet reached it.)
Of course the connection between the people's factors in later when Gollum and Frodo and Sam meet in Mordor - and the Prof. mentions this. It seems clear to me there is in fact a direct connection of the peoples.
At one point the discussion revolves around Gollum's connection to hobbits, and Prof. Corey suggests that we ought to be careful not to connect the people's too closely, in fact I believe he said he thought we might be doing just that. This revolved around Gollum's changes over the years, his ability to use his teeth as a weapon as one example.
Today I was reading Appendix A, however, and I came across this on when reading on the fall of the Northern Kingdom:
"It was at this time that the Stoors that had dwelt in the Angle (between Hoarwell and Loudwater) fled west and south, because of the wars, and the dread of Angmar, and because of the land and clime of Eriador, especially in the east, worsened and became unfriendly. Some returned to Wilderland, and dwelt beside the Gladden, becoming a riverside people of fishers."
We know the Stoors are the
Of course the connection between the people's factors in later when Gollum and Frodo and Sam meet in Mordor - and the Prof. mentions this. It seems clear to me there is in fact a direct connection of the peoples.
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