Seth Bartley
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Sorry, I'm still a few episodes behind y'all and this is my first post, apologies if it's in the wrong place.
Perhaps the torture of the Elves by Morgoth broke them not only physically but spiritually.
Elves, we have seen, exist simultaneously in the physical and the wraith 'worlds'.
This would sound to me like an unspeakable horror of Melkor to inflict; ripping whatever the elf version of a soul is right from their corporeal bodies. Then discarding of the useless divine parts (where did they go? Valinor? Or perhaps those too were forged into horrors. Tortured wraith spirits like the barrow wights forcibly infused into unnatural things.) (oh my, stuffing a tourtured elf spirit into a human corpse sounds just sadistic.)
Therefore, the Orcs might the soulless biological halves of those broken elves.
The soulless meat-creatures could then breed and ‘beget’ more of their kind.
(much like the dwarves before they were granted souls)
(Hey, who was Sauron’s Valar boss again? Coincidence? Maybe Sauron used his knowledge of this to help Morgoth reverse engineer and “deconstruct” the elves to create his own meat puppets.)
Now this does not come from the text, it is pure extrapolation.
It does stay true to the two principles: All things are created good, Evil cannot create.
It also is gruesome enough to explain the lack of published detail ‘He did unspeakable things.’
And I think it is in keeping with Tolkien's other theories (or at least I hope non-contradictory to them).
Perhaps the torture of the Elves by Morgoth broke them not only physically but spiritually.
Elves, we have seen, exist simultaneously in the physical and the wraith 'worlds'.
This would sound to me like an unspeakable horror of Melkor to inflict; ripping whatever the elf version of a soul is right from their corporeal bodies. Then discarding of the useless divine parts (where did they go? Valinor? Or perhaps those too were forged into horrors. Tortured wraith spirits like the barrow wights forcibly infused into unnatural things.) (oh my, stuffing a tourtured elf spirit into a human corpse sounds just sadistic.)
Therefore, the Orcs might the soulless biological halves of those broken elves.
The soulless meat-creatures could then breed and ‘beget’ more of their kind.
(much like the dwarves before they were granted souls)
(Hey, who was Sauron’s Valar boss again? Coincidence? Maybe Sauron used his knowledge of this to help Morgoth reverse engineer and “deconstruct” the elves to create his own meat puppets.)
Now this does not come from the text, it is pure extrapolation.
It does stay true to the two principles: All things are created good, Evil cannot create.
It also is gruesome enough to explain the lack of published detail ‘He did unspeakable things.’
And I think it is in keeping with Tolkien's other theories (or at least I hope non-contradictory to them).