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And here we are at the episode 8 analysis! This episode is a biggie, as it features the big reveal of Halbrand being Sauron, which means a lot of insight into how Halbrand thinks! This will be a long one, so let’s jump into it!
The first scene with Halbrand involves Halbrand and Galadriel riding into Eregion. This scene doesn’t feature Halbrand saying anything. Halbrand is presumably unconscious from his wound’s progression. He and Galadriel arrive in Eregion where they meet Elrond and Celebrimbor.
First Elrond asks “Galadriel?” (not surprising since he probably thought she was hanging out in Valinor) and Galadriel responds with “Elrond.” Celebrimbor asks, “What happened?” to which Galadriel responds with “Enemy lance. Six days ago. We rode without rest. Can you help him?”
So, we get some additional information (the wound was caused by an enemy lance) and a time jump (six days since they left the Numenorean camp or six days since the wound). Did Halbrand tell Galadriel of the source of the wound off screen? Or was it that, while Galadriel treated his wound during the journey, she could ascertain what caused the wound just based on her own medical knowledge?
Halbrand is lugged off during this conversation. Then we cut to Elrond and Galadriel talking while in the background elvish healers tend to Halbrand. Elrond and Galadriel only chat for a moment before leaving. But as Galadriel leaves, she keeps looking at the unconscious Halbrand. It seems that she is very worried about him since she is slow to depart and keeps looking back at him. I think this is important, given how she will treat Halbrand once she is suspicious of him and after his identity is revealed. Before the Sauron suspicions are sown, Galadriel seems to care for Halbrand in some way.
Our next moment with Halbrand is sometime later, when he is at least well enough to walk (though whether he should be walking is another question). During the scene he talks with Celebrimbor and eventually inspires Celebrimbor with a means of effectively utilizing the little Mithril the elves possess.
Before jumping into it, I do want to pose a question: during this scene does Halbrand know about the threat of the elves fading? In addition, does Halbrand know about the solution to the fading problem? Whether Halbrand knows or doesn’t really changes how one may interpret his actions in this scene. If Halbrand doesn’t know, then his actions seem more innocent and helpful. But if he knows, then his words are carefully selected manipulation (for he talks as though he doesn’t know). Since this is Sauron we are talking about, I am tempted to assume that he knows and he is working his manipulation craft. But at the same time, we have seen no evidence so far that Halbrand knows about the fading or the need for some mithril construction to halt it.
For me, I believe that Halbrand doesn’t know. Given what Halbrand says in this scene, he either doesn’t know about it or he is pretending not to know. If he is pretending not to know then he had to have found out about it from somewhere. But where?
There were no elves at the Numenorean war-camp (other than Galadriel and Arondir, who do not know about the elvish fading problem to our knowledge) and I doubt the Numenoreans or Southlanders know about the elvish fading problem, let alone Celebrimbor’s plans to fix it. The people in Numenor wouldn’t know, considering they have forsaken the elves. And the people on the raft didn’t seem that knowledgeable about elven affairs either. Halbrand could have learned of it before the raft, but I’m hesitant to make that assumption without proof that he actually knows about the fading problem.
But that’s just my opinion on the question. For now, it is just a question to keep in mind as we take apart the scene!
Now for the scene! Celebrimbor is in his workshop, which is silent and empty. At the start of the episode Celebrimbor and Elrond were discussing how Gil-Galad was arriving the next day hoping for an answer to the fading problem. Since Gil-Galad has not arrived yet then it must mean Halbrand is up and walking on the same day Halbrand arrived. One could argue it was the day after Halbrand arrived, just before Gil-Galad arrives. Either way, this is a pretty short timeframe for a seemingly lethal wound to have healed enough for Halbrand to go walking. Is elvish medicine just that good? Is it because Halbrand heals faster as a Maiar? Did Halbrand feign sickness and weakness to get inside Eregion?
I believe in the advanced healing factor idea. Celebrimbor is about to question whether or not Halbrand is well enough to walk, so if Celebrimbor is surprised/uncertain then it must not be the quality of Elvish medicine. If elvish medicine was this good at healing, Celebrimbor wouldn’t have said anything.
If Halbrand had pretended the wound was worse than it was, I feel like the various healers (human and elvish) who had attended to him would have commented about the wound not being as bad as Halbrand made it seem.
Anyway, the scene begins with Celebrimbor in his workshop. He hears something in the main chamber, so he calls out and begins walking to out to investigate. “Who’s there? …. Who’s there? Reveal yourself.” Celebrimbor isn’t expecting any visitors and likely expects unexpected visitors to have announced themselves rather than sneaking around.
It doesn’t look like Halbrand is sneaking about, as he descends a small set of stairs into the forge chamber. He asks, “Is Galadriel here?”
Now, was Halbrand genuinely looking for Galadriel? Or is he asking that question to cover his own exploring/sneaking? He doesn’t say he was looking for Galadriel, so he isn’t lying. As in the past, Halbrand carefully words what he says so that those listening to him assume something, without Halbrand having to lie. Based on Halbrand’s question, Celebrimbor will likely assume Halbrand was wandering around looking for Galadriel. But despite his careful wording, I personally do not think he was sneaking around with ill intent. Exploring? Yes. Sneaking? I doubt it myself.
Celebrimbor responds by saying “No. Shouldn’t you be resting?”
As I mentioned earlier, it seems Celebrimbor believes that a human who has been treated with elvish medicine should still be abed. Or, perhaps, this is just Celebrimbor’s way of saying ‘get out of here’, akin to Bilbo’s “Good morning!” in the Hobbit.
Halbrand ignores the question, which reminds me of Halbrand’s first conversation with Galadriel on their personal raft and how he ignored or dodged questions to push his own. Perhaps Halbrand treats all strangers this way? Or, if he has healed due to a Maiar advanced healing factor, then he likely would want to dodge that question, lest his true identity be revealed. Or he could be so taken by the amazing workshop that he would rather ignore the boring question to ask, “What is this place?”
We know, from Halbrand’s time in Numenor, that he adores blacksmithing. Is this wonderous workshop so impressive that Halbrand asks out of curious awe? Or does he already know what this place is and is feigning ignorance? Personally, I believe the former (mainly based on his actions & reactions to smithing in Numenor).
Celebrimbor responds by saying, “This was the workshop of Celebrimbor.” (Not that this is an analysis of Celebrimbor, but note that he said “was”. Celebrimbor sees himself as out-of-business)
Halbrand replies excitedly, “The Celebrimbor? He’s not here, is he?”
When Halbrand says this, Celebrimbor smiles. To me, it seems clear that Celebrimbor enjoys praise and fame. It, perhaps, could feel even better to be recognized now, having just faced a tremendous defeat? While at his lowest, Celebrimbor is likely happy to be reminded of how great he is.
Now, is this Halbrand fanboying over a legendary craftsman? Or is he trying to get into Celebrimbor’s good graces? It could be both.
Celebrimbor responds with “Well… as a matter of fact, he is.” Implying that he, himself, is Celebrimbor. He pulls a lever that causes the roof to open, shedding light upon the workshop. Celebrimbor looks fairly proud/smug when he says this line. Halbrand walks further into the workshop to look at the opening roof and reacts in a stunned sort of way at first, then moves into more fanboying.
“Celebrimbor… The master I apprenticed to used to speak of the wonders of your craft. I never dreamed that I’d get the chance to see them in person.”
Is Halbrand fanboying? His tone sounds like it, but he doesn’t specifically say that he finds Celebrimbor’s works wonderful or amazing. Just because Morgoth praised Celebrimbor’s work doesn’t mean that Halbrand is impressed. And though Halbrand had never dreamed he’d see Celebrimbor’s craft, that doesn’t mean that he desired to see it. That said, I personally read Halbrand as being genuine here; that he is happy to meet Celebrimbor.
In response to Halbrand’s comment Celebrimbor asks, “Are you a smith?” to which Halbrand answers with “Well… nothing like your artistry… These gemstones, I’ve never seen anything like them. What do you plan to use them for?”
Halbrand’s response implies that he is a blacksmith but not one that operates in artistic works like Celebrimbor’s. This makes sense as Sauron’s work was… not art. As Halbrand speaks the line, he takes in Celebrimbor’s workplace and is drawn to the jewels laid out on the table.
Celebrimbor answers with “Feanor’s jewel craft managed to capture the essence of Valinor. I had hoped to do the same for Middle Earth.”
Again Celebrimbor’s ego and ambition is blatant. He desires to see himself as the Middle Earth version of Feanor.
The first scene with Halbrand involves Halbrand and Galadriel riding into Eregion. This scene doesn’t feature Halbrand saying anything. Halbrand is presumably unconscious from his wound’s progression. He and Galadriel arrive in Eregion where they meet Elrond and Celebrimbor.
First Elrond asks “Galadriel?” (not surprising since he probably thought she was hanging out in Valinor) and Galadriel responds with “Elrond.” Celebrimbor asks, “What happened?” to which Galadriel responds with “Enemy lance. Six days ago. We rode without rest. Can you help him?”
So, we get some additional information (the wound was caused by an enemy lance) and a time jump (six days since they left the Numenorean camp or six days since the wound). Did Halbrand tell Galadriel of the source of the wound off screen? Or was it that, while Galadriel treated his wound during the journey, she could ascertain what caused the wound just based on her own medical knowledge?
Halbrand is lugged off during this conversation. Then we cut to Elrond and Galadriel talking while in the background elvish healers tend to Halbrand. Elrond and Galadriel only chat for a moment before leaving. But as Galadriel leaves, she keeps looking at the unconscious Halbrand. It seems that she is very worried about him since she is slow to depart and keeps looking back at him. I think this is important, given how she will treat Halbrand once she is suspicious of him and after his identity is revealed. Before the Sauron suspicions are sown, Galadriel seems to care for Halbrand in some way.
Our next moment with Halbrand is sometime later, when he is at least well enough to walk (though whether he should be walking is another question). During the scene he talks with Celebrimbor and eventually inspires Celebrimbor with a means of effectively utilizing the little Mithril the elves possess.
Before jumping into it, I do want to pose a question: during this scene does Halbrand know about the threat of the elves fading? In addition, does Halbrand know about the solution to the fading problem? Whether Halbrand knows or doesn’t really changes how one may interpret his actions in this scene. If Halbrand doesn’t know, then his actions seem more innocent and helpful. But if he knows, then his words are carefully selected manipulation (for he talks as though he doesn’t know). Since this is Sauron we are talking about, I am tempted to assume that he knows and he is working his manipulation craft. But at the same time, we have seen no evidence so far that Halbrand knows about the fading or the need for some mithril construction to halt it.
For me, I believe that Halbrand doesn’t know. Given what Halbrand says in this scene, he either doesn’t know about it or he is pretending not to know. If he is pretending not to know then he had to have found out about it from somewhere. But where?
There were no elves at the Numenorean war-camp (other than Galadriel and Arondir, who do not know about the elvish fading problem to our knowledge) and I doubt the Numenoreans or Southlanders know about the elvish fading problem, let alone Celebrimbor’s plans to fix it. The people in Numenor wouldn’t know, considering they have forsaken the elves. And the people on the raft didn’t seem that knowledgeable about elven affairs either. Halbrand could have learned of it before the raft, but I’m hesitant to make that assumption without proof that he actually knows about the fading problem.
But that’s just my opinion on the question. For now, it is just a question to keep in mind as we take apart the scene!
Now for the scene! Celebrimbor is in his workshop, which is silent and empty. At the start of the episode Celebrimbor and Elrond were discussing how Gil-Galad was arriving the next day hoping for an answer to the fading problem. Since Gil-Galad has not arrived yet then it must mean Halbrand is up and walking on the same day Halbrand arrived. One could argue it was the day after Halbrand arrived, just before Gil-Galad arrives. Either way, this is a pretty short timeframe for a seemingly lethal wound to have healed enough for Halbrand to go walking. Is elvish medicine just that good? Is it because Halbrand heals faster as a Maiar? Did Halbrand feign sickness and weakness to get inside Eregion?
I believe in the advanced healing factor idea. Celebrimbor is about to question whether or not Halbrand is well enough to walk, so if Celebrimbor is surprised/uncertain then it must not be the quality of Elvish medicine. If elvish medicine was this good at healing, Celebrimbor wouldn’t have said anything.
If Halbrand had pretended the wound was worse than it was, I feel like the various healers (human and elvish) who had attended to him would have commented about the wound not being as bad as Halbrand made it seem.
Anyway, the scene begins with Celebrimbor in his workshop. He hears something in the main chamber, so he calls out and begins walking to out to investigate. “Who’s there? …. Who’s there? Reveal yourself.” Celebrimbor isn’t expecting any visitors and likely expects unexpected visitors to have announced themselves rather than sneaking around.
It doesn’t look like Halbrand is sneaking about, as he descends a small set of stairs into the forge chamber. He asks, “Is Galadriel here?”
Now, was Halbrand genuinely looking for Galadriel? Or is he asking that question to cover his own exploring/sneaking? He doesn’t say he was looking for Galadriel, so he isn’t lying. As in the past, Halbrand carefully words what he says so that those listening to him assume something, without Halbrand having to lie. Based on Halbrand’s question, Celebrimbor will likely assume Halbrand was wandering around looking for Galadriel. But despite his careful wording, I personally do not think he was sneaking around with ill intent. Exploring? Yes. Sneaking? I doubt it myself.
Celebrimbor responds by saying “No. Shouldn’t you be resting?”
As I mentioned earlier, it seems Celebrimbor believes that a human who has been treated with elvish medicine should still be abed. Or, perhaps, this is just Celebrimbor’s way of saying ‘get out of here’, akin to Bilbo’s “Good morning!” in the Hobbit.
Halbrand ignores the question, which reminds me of Halbrand’s first conversation with Galadriel on their personal raft and how he ignored or dodged questions to push his own. Perhaps Halbrand treats all strangers this way? Or, if he has healed due to a Maiar advanced healing factor, then he likely would want to dodge that question, lest his true identity be revealed. Or he could be so taken by the amazing workshop that he would rather ignore the boring question to ask, “What is this place?”
We know, from Halbrand’s time in Numenor, that he adores blacksmithing. Is this wonderous workshop so impressive that Halbrand asks out of curious awe? Or does he already know what this place is and is feigning ignorance? Personally, I believe the former (mainly based on his actions & reactions to smithing in Numenor).
Celebrimbor responds by saying, “This was the workshop of Celebrimbor.” (Not that this is an analysis of Celebrimbor, but note that he said “was”. Celebrimbor sees himself as out-of-business)
Halbrand replies excitedly, “The Celebrimbor? He’s not here, is he?”
When Halbrand says this, Celebrimbor smiles. To me, it seems clear that Celebrimbor enjoys praise and fame. It, perhaps, could feel even better to be recognized now, having just faced a tremendous defeat? While at his lowest, Celebrimbor is likely happy to be reminded of how great he is.
Now, is this Halbrand fanboying over a legendary craftsman? Or is he trying to get into Celebrimbor’s good graces? It could be both.
Celebrimbor responds with “Well… as a matter of fact, he is.” Implying that he, himself, is Celebrimbor. He pulls a lever that causes the roof to open, shedding light upon the workshop. Celebrimbor looks fairly proud/smug when he says this line. Halbrand walks further into the workshop to look at the opening roof and reacts in a stunned sort of way at first, then moves into more fanboying.
“Celebrimbor… The master I apprenticed to used to speak of the wonders of your craft. I never dreamed that I’d get the chance to see them in person.”
Is Halbrand fanboying? His tone sounds like it, but he doesn’t specifically say that he finds Celebrimbor’s works wonderful or amazing. Just because Morgoth praised Celebrimbor’s work doesn’t mean that Halbrand is impressed. And though Halbrand had never dreamed he’d see Celebrimbor’s craft, that doesn’t mean that he desired to see it. That said, I personally read Halbrand as being genuine here; that he is happy to meet Celebrimbor.
In response to Halbrand’s comment Celebrimbor asks, “Are you a smith?” to which Halbrand answers with “Well… nothing like your artistry… These gemstones, I’ve never seen anything like them. What do you plan to use them for?”
Halbrand’s response implies that he is a blacksmith but not one that operates in artistic works like Celebrimbor’s. This makes sense as Sauron’s work was… not art. As Halbrand speaks the line, he takes in Celebrimbor’s workplace and is drawn to the jewels laid out on the table.
Celebrimbor answers with “Feanor’s jewel craft managed to capture the essence of Valinor. I had hoped to do the same for Middle Earth.”
Again Celebrimbor’s ego and ambition is blatant. He desires to see himself as the Middle Earth version of Feanor.