Tony Meade
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SESSION 104
Rivendell, as a Hobbit sequel:
Rivendell, as a Hobbit sequel:
- What are the instances where Tolkien directly quotes from The Hobbit in The Lord of the Rings?
- Some of the characters quote lines from it in other places, but this is the only instance in which the narrator here directly quotes the narrator of The Hobbit.
- There are many allusions throughout the story, but this makes a much more direct connection by quoting the text and is a remnant of the time when this was more of a sequel to The Hobbit.
- Textually, either Frodo or Sam would want to reference Bilbo’s previous adventure.
- The effect of quoting The Hobbit is to recall the chapter, which was called “A Short Rest”, in which the party was refreshed and received help and expert counsel, is to expect the same here.
- There is a sense in The Hobbit that when they leave Rivendell, Thorin and Company have had their quest re-contextualized from what it was when they left Bag End.
- At that point, they have a quest, but after Rivendell, they have a plan, which was lacking before.
- The moon letters are also a turning point thematically, as the coincidence of Elrond being able to read them on the one day that they would be visible is clearly an act of Providence.
- In this sense of meaning, the connection between the two interludes in Rivendell are connected.
- As before, events during Frodo’s stay in Rivendell will intervene to make clear his destiny.
- Gandalf hinted that the quest might lead to Mount Doom, but it is here that decision is made.
- Part of Gandalf’s interactions before had been to see if Frodo was up to the task of being the Ring-bearer, and if that task was his to complete.
- Note: It’s unclear if it would even be possible, at this point, for another person to be chosen to bear the Ring to Mordor, or if Frodo would be able to give up the Ring when the time came. He would certainly need help, but help is available here, but he would have similar difficulties as Bilbo had when giving it up, though his connection was longer, yet different.
- There is a sense of an impatience in the Ring, shown in the way that it abandoned Gollum, and in Bilbo’s restlessness. Likewise, Frodo’s Ring temptations have been strong and frequent.
- A major difference between these previous periods of ownership and Frodo’s time is that he is not only fully aware of what it is and is doing, but Sauron is also actively seeking for it.
- We know that both Gollum and Bilbo used the Ring, but not frequently, and less so later on.
- Note: There have been many fans who have made a parallel between the connection between the Ring and its possessors and that of a drug addiction, including the makes of the films, and though this may not have been directly intended by Tolkien, it is a compelling parallel. However, there are ways in which this connection is different from an addiction, one of which being that the longer one possesses the Ring, the Ring is used less. It becomes more about possessiveness.
- Note: There is no evidence that the Nine Rings of Men progress in similar ways as the One Ring, and there are only a few examples of how the One Ring progresses in its seduction. Bilbo and Gollum are two, but we get very little about Isildur’s before the revisions in Unfinished Tales. Even Sam’s brief possession is different because the circumstances have changed.
- In the text of The Hobbit, Rivendell is described only as the Last Homely House, and this meant in the context of heading east from the Shire over the Misty Mountains and toward Wilderland.
- In this sense, it represents a transition from friendly to unfriendly country on the way out, and unfriendly to friendly country on the way back home, in a simpler kind of linear geography.
- By adding “east of the Sea”, the context is significantly changed regarding the word “Last”.
- Before, it was purely geographical, but now it takes on a chronological meaning, in that it is the last one remaining in Middle-earth, outside of the Blessed Realm, west of the Sea.
- That Lothlorien is not considered a Homely House is partly due to it not being created at this point of the writing of the text, but maybe that it is a different kind of place from Rivendell.
- Rivendell is also familiar, and open and welcoming to outsiders in a way that Lothlorien is not.
- It’s important that the idea of “homely” is taken from Bilbo’s perspective in The Hobbit, but here, “homely” is more from the perspective of the Elves, before they depart Middle-earth.
- This would suggest that The Grey Havens are also not considered “homely”, as it is a harbor and a departing place for the Elves. It serves a more transient function for the Elves than Rivendell.
- If there are any Homely Houses in Tol Eressëa, as “east of the Sea” suggests, there is only one example of them welcoming outsiders, which is Eriol/Ælfwine in The Book of Lost Tales.
- This is the only time that he described Tol Eressëa, and the description is very similar to Rivendell. In this way, these Homely Houses are what await Elves when they leave Middle-earth.
- It’s possible that the word “homely” in this context applies specifically to the Noldor. If it’s true that homely means “like Elvenhome”, then the homeliest house of all time would be Gondolin.
- Gil-galad’s center of power in Lindon was also probably “homely” in this Elvish sense.
- Lothlorien is different in this context, in that it is entirely based in Middle-earth and is conceived as separate from the West. That it is populated entirely with Silvan Elves is important.
- Rivendell is looking back to the Elvenhome for a model and is populated with Noldor and Sindar.
- Also, though the Grey Havens are closer to the center of power for Gil-galad’s kingdom, Rivendell is more like a last remnant of that kingdom in spirit, and Elrond as Gil-galad’s heir.
- If this new context is true, why would Frodo use the term if it is an Elvish concept? By recalling the name given in The Hobbit, Frodo then transforms it by using it in this new context.
- In the prologue, we are told that Frodo and Sam were reluctant to change any of the text written by Bilbo himself. However, he may be willing to recontextualize Bilbo’s words.
- Bilbo had named Rivendell the Last Homely House when he was new to adventures and not yet learned in lore. Frodo is looking back on Bilbo’s name and updating it based on new experience.
- However, this doesn’t mean that Bilbo’s personal impression of Rivendell was not true, and Frodo confirms that by quoting Bilbo’s description of his experience, though it means more now.
- Also, though what Frodo needs from Rivendell is similar to what Bilbo needed at this point in his trip, Frodo’s need is greater, and the virtues of the house are more welcome.
- His introspection about Rivendell is prior to leaving his room and seeing it for the first time.
- Note: There is an echo of the passage after the hobbits are released from the barrow, which is described as waking up after a long illness and finding themselves unexpectedly well. Where that had been metaphorical before, here it is literal for Frodo.
- Are we supposed to imagine Rivendell as a single house? Tolkien seems to have imagined it as one large house and this is the way that he illustrated it, but it doesn’t preclude other buildings.