Flammifer
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I was struck by Prof. Olsen’s discussion in the Dante class on two types of Allegory: The ‘Allegory of the Poets”, and “The Allegory of the Theologians”. Then by the ‘Four-fold Exegesis’ with Literal, Allegorical, Moral, and Anagogical levels of interpretation.
How might these apply to TLOTR?
Especially to the question of why JRRT never managed to create a satisfactory ‘Silmarillion’ which integrated with TLOTR?
This is a set of first thoughts. Please add comments and builds.
Some Speculative Assumptions:
The ‘Allegorical’ level of interpretation caused JRRT many problems. One was that the existence of immortal Elves, who knew the Valar personally, meant that ‘History’ in Middle-earth could not really be mythologized, nor blurred by oral transmission, transcription, translation. JRRT could have fit his earlier stories of the Creation, and the Valar, and the Lamps, and the Trees, and the Flat Earth, into a whole consistent with Allegory, and Christianity, if he could have passed them off as ‘myths’, figuratively, but not literally, true. However, these histories came directly from the Valar, who were there. In Frame they must be ‘true’. Instead of the Legendarium being allegorical of Christianity, or a different set of myths pointing at the same reality as Biblical stories, the legendarium becomes an alternative reality to Biblical stories, and, within the Frame, a more authoritative and accurate account. A concept which JRRT would have abhorred. Since JRRT believed Christianity to be true (though sometimes figuratively, rather than literally true), he either had to keep ret-conning his mythologies until they became just slightly re-worded versions of Christian tradition (Tolkien commentary, “Already it is (if inevitably) too like a parody of Christianity”), or risk, in Frame, his mythology being represented as more authoritative and true than Christian tradition.
Professor Olsen, on JRRT’s commentary, and Christopher T’s response, considered that the Tale of Adanel did not ‘cross the line’ into a parody of Christianity. Even so, the other problem remains. Within the Frame, the Legendarium history (directly received from the Valar) is more authoritative than the Biblical stories. (Not the Tale of Adanel, since this was not a Valar derived story.) This would be a large problem for JRRT. There are other problems in the allegorical level of exegesis. Problems such as the differences between Satan and Melkor, the redemption (or lack thereof) of Orcs, resisted easy ret-conning, and JRRT never came up with satisfactory solutions.
Question:
Could JRRT’s attraction to the concept of “The Allegory of the Theologians”, and his desire to make his combined work fit within the Four-fold Exegesis, have contributed to his failure to come up with a satisfactory synthesis of TLOTR and The Silmarillion?
It seems that there are three ways that JRRT could have resolved his problems:
Could JRRT’s resistance to these approaches have been due to trying to ensure that a traditional Medieval Four-fold Exegesis, in an Allegory of the Theologians, could be applied to the integration?
Highly speculative thoughts here. Please comment and build.
How might these apply to TLOTR?
Especially to the question of why JRRT never managed to create a satisfactory ‘Silmarillion’ which integrated with TLOTR?
This is a set of first thoughts. Please add comments and builds.
Some Speculative Assumptions:
- JRRT, unlike Dante, did not attempt to write an Allegory of the Theologians. We know a lot about JRRT’s process in writing TLOTR. We can see that it was an emergent process, without the organization and planning that would have been necessary to consciously write an ‘Allegory of the Theologians”, with a Four-fold Exegesis.
- Assume that JRRT (after the fact) wanted his Legendarium to fit as an Allegory of the Theologians if interpreted that way by readers. He wanted it to be capable of Four-fold Exegesis. I don’t know if JRRT ever said anything that would support this assumption. But, he was a Medievalist. He must have been familiar with the Allegory of the Theologians. Also, as a well educated Catholic, I assume he was familiar with the Four-fold Exegesis of Scripture. JRRT was an extremely adept reader and interpreter of his own TLOTR. Could JRRT, as a reader, have been using the concepts of the Allegory of the Theologians, and the Four-fold exegesis, as a yardstick to measure the success of his attempted synthesis?
- The literal level of exegesis:
- The allegorical level of exegesis:
The ‘Allegorical’ level of interpretation caused JRRT many problems. One was that the existence of immortal Elves, who knew the Valar personally, meant that ‘History’ in Middle-earth could not really be mythologized, nor blurred by oral transmission, transcription, translation. JRRT could have fit his earlier stories of the Creation, and the Valar, and the Lamps, and the Trees, and the Flat Earth, into a whole consistent with Allegory, and Christianity, if he could have passed them off as ‘myths’, figuratively, but not literally, true. However, these histories came directly from the Valar, who were there. In Frame they must be ‘true’. Instead of the Legendarium being allegorical of Christianity, or a different set of myths pointing at the same reality as Biblical stories, the legendarium becomes an alternative reality to Biblical stories, and, within the Frame, a more authoritative and accurate account. A concept which JRRT would have abhorred. Since JRRT believed Christianity to be true (though sometimes figuratively, rather than literally true), he either had to keep ret-conning his mythologies until they became just slightly re-worded versions of Christian tradition (Tolkien commentary, “Already it is (if inevitably) too like a parody of Christianity”), or risk, in Frame, his mythology being represented as more authoritative and true than Christian tradition.
Professor Olsen, on JRRT’s commentary, and Christopher T’s response, considered that the Tale of Adanel did not ‘cross the line’ into a parody of Christianity. Even so, the other problem remains. Within the Frame, the Legendarium history (directly received from the Valar) is more authoritative than the Biblical stories. (Not the Tale of Adanel, since this was not a Valar derived story.) This would be a large problem for JRRT. There are other problems in the allegorical level of exegesis. Problems such as the differences between Satan and Melkor, the redemption (or lack thereof) of Orcs, resisted easy ret-conning, and JRRT never came up with satisfactory solutions.
- The moral level of exegesis:
- The anagogical level of exegesis:
Question:
Could JRRT’s attraction to the concept of “The Allegory of the Theologians”, and his desire to make his combined work fit within the Four-fold Exegesis, have contributed to his failure to come up with a satisfactory synthesis of TLOTR and The Silmarillion?
It seems that there are three ways that JRRT could have resolved his problems:
- Cut the frame, and explicitly set both actions in an imaginary and sub-created world. But this would have ‘eliminated’ the first level of classical Medieval Four-fold Exegesis.
- Make the mythology of The Legendarium more mythological and less authoritative. This mythology could have been Elvish. In which case the relationship between the Elves and the Valar could have been made less familiar. With more distant, aloof, and mysterious Valar, an Elvish mythology could have been created around the hints they did pick up from the Valar which would have been more ‘mythological’ and less authoritative. The mythology could also have been human (an idea which JRRT toyed with). A more ‘mythological’ Legendarium could have differed more from Christian ‘legends’ (though pointing in similar directions) without the problem of being either a ‘parody of Christianity’ or more true (in Frame) than Christianity.
- Keep to the stories in ‘The Silmarillion’ proper. The wars in Beleriand between the Exiles and the Enemy. Bury the histories of the Creation, the Valar, Eru, the Music, the theology of Men and Elves, etc. and leave them tantalizingly hinted at and veiled in the background. (Like they are in TLOTR).
Could JRRT’s resistance to these approaches have been due to trying to ensure that a traditional Medieval Four-fold Exegesis, in an Allegory of the Theologians, could be applied to the integration?
Highly speculative thoughts here. Please comment and build.
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