Actually, that I can fix. Especially since I'm having some internet trouble with my computer.
That's the raw video.
That's the raw video.
I'll see what I can do.I feel that this might be a decent compromise. Not being one of the originators of the idea, I'd like to hear from one or both of them... Oh, and hint taken. I have been rendering the newest segment over the past couple of hours.
At present, we have them "pre-enguaged" in episode 1. We went with this because Ingwë was happily married and Finwë was single, so we wanted a diversity in the ambassadors' relationship status. It also gives us a place to go with the Finwë/Míriel relationship.I would want the following safeguards in place to preserve Finwë's autonomy. Finwë and Míriel are already engaged. They love each other, and yes, parted on bad terms, but that was not all we have seen of their relationship.
I think this is already well in place.Prior to seeing a tapestry, he has made it clear that he wants to move to Valinor, and his concern is whether or not he will be able to convince the other Noldor to come with him - specifically Míriel.
This, too, is already in place.Meanwhile, Míriel has made it clear that her choice is Finwë, and she will follow him to whatever end.
This is exactly what the second plot point act break (#12) is.His remaining reluctance is the thought that he will have to choose between Valinor and Míriel.
The dénouement (#16) gives us their reunion. As outline above, I'd like to add in this being the marriage proposal. Ideally, I want Míriel demanding Finwë marry her, so they're never again parted.The way she greets him upon his return makes it clear that she is happy to see him and not in need of a lot of 'convincing' (not exactly a 'you had me at "hello"' moment, but...you get the idea).
As outlined, I really think we've hit each of your points.With this backdrop in place (and based on the skeletal outline, it seems to be),
That is my interpretation of the scene. It's Vairë saying (without speaking, obviously), "you know that thing you're worried about and has made you a sad-sack this whole trip, yeah that's a non-issue, buddy." And only Vairë (or Námo), with her foresight could actually convince Finwë of this. (Worth noting, she's also saying a lot else that goes right over Finwë's head.)Vairë's action of showing Finwë an image of Míriel in Valinor merely reassures Finwë that he will be successful in getting her to join him there. Vairë is not promising Finwë a happy marriage or advising him to come to Valinor, so a lot more 'passive' than most oracles - just a vision left up to his own interpretation. Finwë's choices need to be his own.
Shrug. Right now, I'm not thinking about episode three too much.Finwë and Míriel will need to discuss moving to Valinor in Episode 3.
So the resolution of the question "will Finwë come to believe he can convince Míriel to come to Valinor with him?" is the epsiode climax -- every structural point (first plot point, midpoint, second plot point and even the pinch points) drives the narrative to answer the question as the climax.Perhaps we could have Vairë 'meet' Finwë in Lorien, so that she seeks him out in the same place he will ultimately lose his wife, and shows him the tapestry there? I have no idea what the structure of this part of the episode looks like, but it could be a brief moment between Finwë and Vairë without a lot of portentous lead-up. (I am fine with the significant look when she slips away from the Valar meet-n-greet; I more mean no one 'fetching' Finwë and taking him to Mandos.)
As I understood Dr Olsen, he didn't specify which close relative Ingwë should have lost. He just said he didn't want it to be parents. So basically Ingwë could be married, but then, who is the lost relative?Is there a consensus behind pushing back on the exec dictat that it's Ingwë's wife who is gone, rather than his parents?
As Vána is one of the few 'dissenting' voices at the council of the Valar, it would make sense to see her again later in the episode. Also, as Oromë's wife, it's quite natural the Ambassadors would spend time with her, as they no doubt visit Oromë's house at some point - he is their host/guide. Oromë's reunion with Vána after being gone so long can fit into the story of Finwë missing Míriel as well. Perhaps he hadn't thought much about her until Oromë's obvious pleasure in his pretty 'young' wife is right in front of him. And Vána will give them flowers, of course, so they could be wearing garlands or flower crowns as they're wandering around Valinor....okay, that might be a bit silly.With things to do in Valinor, perhaps it would be wise to spend some time with some of the Valar that are not used as much. For example Vána. As she is the wife to the great elf-friend Oromë, I think there can be something to be done there. With her connection to Melian as well, we should be able to show something. However, I don't know exactly what just yet.
Perfect - it's his sister, the mother of Indis. Done. Indis as sister-daughter to Ingwë works for me.As I understood Dr Olsen, he didn't specify which close relative Ingwë should have lost. He just said he didn't want it to be parents. So basically Ingwë could be married, but then, who is the lost relative?
Great - but then, 'sister' in a broader sense, since they are first generation.Perfect - it's his sister, the mother of Indis. Done.
Oh, wait....then Indis is at Cuiviénen. That's no good. Perhaps she is just a child, thus avoiding the love triangle bit?
Yes she could be a child. Or Ingwë could have lost a different sister (not the mother of Indis) or a brother.Oh, wait....then Indis is at Cuiviénen. That's no good. Perhaps she is just a child, thus avoiding the love triangle bit?