Rhiannon
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Morgoth makes Edhellos confess to Angrod that she is a kinslayer and releases her from the Spell of Bottomless Dread.
Session 4-27, 4-28: Post-production Script Review, Parts 3 and 4
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Nicholas Palazzo
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Well, presumably, that news is days late, for one. If Gothmog was going to set up a method to deal with the onset of the Feanoreans, he would have to have done so by this point. It seems mostly like this news is being brought to Gothmog at this very moment so that Sauron can spot Edhellos rather than because the information is useful to Gothmog. Gothmog likely would have known of this while he was digging in in preparation for Fingolfin's arrival. Also, it only increases Sauron's culpability here. Sauron delivers these assurances to Gothmog while Sauron's forces, specifically geared for tasks like screening for enemy movements, somehow are missing the arrival of the Feanoreans. In fact, Celegorm would likely have to have already passed north of them in order to make his charge later on in the same engagement.
Rhiannon
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The news isn't new. Gothmog would have been expecting Sauron to do his job and make sure that the Feanorians do not come. Would it help if I made this more clear that it is a confirmation of something Gothmog already knows?
Nicholas Palazzo
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So, Sauron comes to the battle, why?
Rhiannon
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To confirm that the messenger was killed.
Nicholas Palazzo
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But if this is something Gothmog already knows, why does Sauron need to deliver this information?
Rhiannon
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Sauron said he was going to do this, but there wasn't a 100% chance of success. Now he's confirming that it did happen.
Rhiannon
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Sauron doesn't have to like it, but this attack on Minas Tirith without the intervention of the Feanorians requires him to work with Gothmog.
I don't mean him liking it, I suggest that he would not do it. He would send someone.
Rhiannon
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He could, but he doesn't need to. Sauron likes to do things personally, and he probably wants to see what is happening on the battlefield for himself. Plus, he gets a chance to insult Gothmog.
Then he would come as a general with a large host.
Rhiannon
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I agree, but the hosts of the podcast didn't want Sauron to be a general. They did, however, agree that he and his forces could be prowling the edges of the battlefield and taking prisoners.
Nicholas Palazzo
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They did, but I'm still unconvinced that them doing so wouldn't give them plenty of warning of the impending Feanorean attack.
This was done some time ago. Why is Gothmog only finding out about this now? This happened before Angrod and Aegnor even left Dorthonion. What prevented this confirmation from reaching Gothmog in the intervening time?
But then he can’t reach Gothmog.
Rhiannon
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If they aren't there, where would they be?
Travelling. Neither Sauron nor Gothmog has a bunny sled.
Rhiannon
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Sauron himself can go to Gothmog, his forces just can't engage in battle.
I’m saying I think that is entirely implausible. He will not wade solo through a battle to deliver a message, not to Gothmog (for any reason), not to anyone (well, probably to Morgoth).
Nicholas Palazzo
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Right. And Gothmog was right near Angband when it happened. And Sauron can fly. That's not going to cut it.If they aren't there, where would they be?
Travelling. Neither Sauron nor Gothmog has a bunny sled.
Likely with Sauron, safe in Angband. Or raiding the relatively unprotected settlements of Beleriand, and kidnapping people who aren't soldiers ready for (or engaged in) battle.