Hi Haerangil,That is a good question, as i understand JRRT he really at one point thought that the Orcs just like to destroy things, like they trample down plants for no obvious reason, just to stomp something beautiful. I think they have the same attitude towards anything, even words.
That does not answer the question WHY they are this way, or if they would maybe not be like that if not dominated by a stronger supernatural will that feeds them with hate.It would be interesting to speculate what happens to orcs without a dark lord...
Like men or elves might become orcish if dominated by a dark lord, perhaps orcs without such a domination... might become like some savage or wild Elves or men, primitive, but not evil anymore.Maybe they even cease to look orcish... and they fade like the Avari and become incorporeal spirits... or they become like mortal men, indistinguishable to us.
Well thinking about it... in a way Sarumannwas working on this problem, he certainly gave his orcs something to believe in, almost like a religion, and he gave them discipline and an organisation.But the Dark lords had done this before too...so this is where he lost path.Not every type of Order is good, as we all know.Who’s to say the intention of the Blue wasn’t this? All we know is 4 of the 5 essentially failed their duties in some way. Perhaps the continued existence of orcs speaks to this. Perhaps redemption is not attainable in the material existence they currently have.
Is this true of Tolkien’s world? The idea of an immortal soul being the superior supernatural element contained within the flawed material casing seems to be imported from certain Grecian philosophies and pasted onto Tolkien’s fictional world and possibly onto his real world beliefs. I’m not sure entirely what his Christian interpretation was on the matter. Regardless, do we know the text talk about redemption in this way?But somebody who refuses to regret and acknowledge his sins, to confess... you cannot help such a person with his soul -they do not want to be helped.
Not in the text, and the wiki you mention doesn't cite anything. The appendices tell us about the Balrog arriving, Sauron sending Orcs to people Moria, etc. So to the extent that they "belong" to anyone, it's Sauron. But as noted, that sort of belonging is far from worship. They pretty clearly don't all revere him that way, in the text.Does anyone know if that reference is founded? I'm not sure where to look in the legendarium to find evidence of it.
Things that were once glorious twisted into things that are monstrousI was always fascinated by Orcs since i saw the bakshi movies as a child... i still think his orcs are really frightening and nightmarish.
Tolkien once stated "we were all orcs in the war (WW1)". So i think of Orcs as the element in humans which is frightening, because they represent things humans are capable of doing but we usuually do not see or realize, and like to think of as not possible.