Not a super promising beginning....
I would assume so, but we agreed the young men should not look like teenagers. So I have my doubt here. Maybe 60 years would be better? As elves are fully grown with 100. So if 50 elf years = 18 human years, maybe 60-70 elf years would be = around 20 human years?
With a little of this, I wonder if we can reconstruct back some sound changes from Primitive Adunaic and maybe get something closer. It's not exactly clear but, for instance, manaw and *manawī eventually become manô and manôi. So maybe Avalôi (the Valar) comes from *Avalawī. We don't have a lot of particular sound changes to go off of, but it's a starting point.So, in the Episode 1 script, the language of the humans (particularly the Haladin) comes up in contrast to the Sindarin that the Elves are speaking with them.
We could probably come up with a few phrases in this language, if we tried, but we would have to be willing to be rather...flexible with what Tolkien has given us. The easiest place to start is probably with Adûnaic, and then focus on the root words Tolkien had (ie, primitive Adûnaic), which would be roughly equivalent to the language of the House of Hador. For the House of Haleth, we have very, very little information on their language. Obviously, it's different from the House of Bëor and the House of Hador, but....aside from saying that "obel" means "town," and "hal-" likely means "leader," it's not like we know a lot about it.
According to the Eldamo website, these 30 words are all "Edainic":
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So, 30 words, and 10% of them mean "wisdom"
And here's the primitive Adûnaic root words:
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...and the wordlist
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Whether "Taliska" is meant to be the language of the House of Bëor or the House of Haleth seems somewhat unclear to me. As in, at one point in the history, they were one people, so it was one and the same language, but as time went on, the Haladin became more and more distinctive as their own group, and thus had their own language. But, should the Taliska grammar be published at any point, I would be happy to let Silm Film use that for any 1st Age Mannish languages we might need!
In the meantime....I guess we have the Dunlending word "Forgoil" for "Strawheads", so Handir could call Glorfindel "forgo" if we wanted him to, maybe? Not exactly a lot to go on, here.
So for now, what we have to work with is basically Adûnaic. Here's the Ardalambion article on it as a starting point:
so this would correspond to 50 = "of marriageable age" in elves. So if they claim him to look about 50 he for sure would find this hilarious.
Thanks David. I’m glad you noticed the orc! Handir was a character I wasn’t expecting to like as much as I did in the end. I feel he could be the ‘minor character’ in a series that is unexpectedly popular with viewers. We need to give him a heroic story and death at the Nirnaeth
I thought Handir stays alive until the Fall of Nargothrond.
Thanks for following this up. I was expecting the ‘Official Linguist‘ to invent the phrases that I put on screen. There are two: One from Handir in the tongue of the Halandin (not proto-Adunaic) that needs to be insulting (but doesn’t have to be overboard offensive). The other is a phrase that Huor teaches Pengolodh in the language that will become Adunaic. This could be a greeting or something complimentary.So, in the Episode 1 script, the language of the humans (particularly the Haladin) comes up in contrast to the Sindarin that the Elves are speaking with them.
We could probably come up with a few phrases in this language, if we tried, but we would have to be willing to be rather...flexible with what Tolkien has given us. The easiest place to start is probably with Adûnaic, and then focus on the root words Tolkien had (ie, primitive Adûnaic), which would be roughly equivalent to the language of the House of Hador. For the House of Haleth, we have very, very little information on their language. Obviously, it's different from the House of Bëor and the House of Hador, but....aside from saying that "obel" means "town," and "hal-" likely means "leader," it's not like we know a lot about it.
According to the Eldamo website, these 30 words are all "Edainic":
View attachment 5329
So, 30 words, and 10% of them mean "wisdom"
And here's the primitive Adûnaic root words:
View attachment 5330
...and the wordlist
View attachment 5331
Whether "Taliska" is meant to be the language of the House of Bëor or the House of Haleth seems somewhat unclear to me. As in, at one point in the history, they were one people, so it was one and the same language, but as time went on, the Haladin became more and more distinctive as their own group, and thus had their own language. But, should the Taliska grammar be published at any point, I would be happy to let Silm Film use that for any 1st Age Mannish languages we might need!
In the meantime....I guess we have the Dunlending word "Forgoil" for "Strawheads", so Handir could call Glorfindel "forgo" if we wanted him to, maybe? Not exactly a lot to go on, here.
So for now, what we have to work with is basically Adûnaic. Here's the Ardalambion article on it as a starting point:
If that’s so he can just be heroic in the Nirnaeth then - we can save the death for the next season.
Is there any particular reason why we want to kill Handir off early? I don't see any point in changing things like that just to add to the casualties at the Nirnaeth or this season in general.
No particular reason. I’m travelling now without access to the text to check up on this.
Well, was it not so as to make Brandir the Lame an "old leader" from his very own childhood on and not having him having been one only one for a mere one year before he meets Turin? Originally Handir died 495 and Brandir became his father's successor aged 30, Turin arriving in Brethil a year later.
I think the Hadorians spoke Old Magol, not Taliska, though i could be wrong.So, in the Episode 1 script, the language of the humans (particularly the Haladin) comes up in contrast to the Sindarin that the Elves are speaking with them.
We could probably come up with a few phrases in this language, if we tried, but we would have to be willing to be rather...flexible with what Tolkien has given us. The easiest place to start is probably with Adûnaic, and then focus on the root words Tolkien had (ie, primitive Adûnaic), which would be roughly equivalent to the language of the House of Hador. For the House of Haleth, we have very, very little information on their language. Obviously, it's different from the House of Bëor and the House of Hador, but....aside from saying that "obel" means "town," and "hal-" likely means "leader," it's not like we know a lot about it.
According to the Eldamo website, these 30 words are all "Edainic":
View attachment 5329
So, 30 words, and 10% of them mean "wisdom"
And here's the primitive Adûnaic root words:
View attachment 5330
...and the wordlist
View attachment 5331
Whether "Taliska" is meant to be the language of the House of Bëor or the House of Haleth seems somewhat unclear to me. As in, at one point in the history, they were one people, so it was one and the same language, but as time went on, the Haladin became more and more distinctive as their own group, and thus had their own language. But, should the Taliska grammar be published at any point, I would be happy to let Silm Film use that for any 1st Age Mannish languages we might need!
In the meantime....I guess we have the Dunlending word "Forgoil" for "Strawheads", so Handir could call Glorfindel "forgo" if we wanted him to, maybe? Not exactly a lot to go on, here.
So for now, what we have to work with is basically Adûnaic. Here's the Ardalambion article on it as a starting point:
I really wouldn't use Adunaic. It comes from Hadorian and is considered alien to the native dialects of Enedhwaith or Gondor which were Halethian. I also wouldn't use the word Forgo. It is six tjousand years older than the Haladin!
Can you give me the sentences you want translated? I could play around with them a bit, i think Halethian would be a mix between celtic and semitic.
