Yes, we can do it this way: Fëanor is born and Miriel dies before Ossë arrives with the Teleri - so that Finwë's loneliness is really emphasised.I think that we need to move the birth of Fëanor to Episode 6. We are missing a 'plot' for this episode,
I agree! I'd like to see some kind of deal made between Olwë and Círdan, I don't know, something about Círdan staying behind to give latecomers - and Elwë- a possibility to leave for the West. But something goes wrong. Ulmo never returns.like how episode 5 hinges on Círdan now. Not only do I want him to be a real character, but I do want to see what his purpose is, and setting him as the link between Middle Earth and Valinor for the next 3 Ages is....good stuff.
I agree! I'd like to see some kind of deal made between Olwë and Círdan, I don't know, something about Círdan staying behind to give latecomers - and Elwë- a possibility to leave for the West. But something goes wrong. Ulmo never returns.
Or do they (Olwë and Círdan) have different opinions on what to do? Maybe Círdan wants to stay and Olwë has given up on Elwë and believes he is dead?
Yes! I think we should try to do that, if it is possible.Do we want to tie together the births of Fëanor and Lúthien? If we placed both of these events in episode 6, that could serve the 'Elvenhome' theme nicely as we develop an episode that tries to address what it means to be an elf. Both of them are exceptional, and responsible for driving the fate of many....but of course very different, and the fates of their parents are...actually, not so different as they appear at first glance. Both Finwë and Elwë are murdered over the Silmarils, and both Míriel and Melian die of grief (albeit for different reasons). But at any rate, the potential is not clear, as they would just be babies in these scenes.
I haven't listened to the whole session yet, but I think we need to discuss two basic options: one in which Círdan has foresight in some way, and one where the two decide to leave Círdan behind to wait for Elwë and the plan would be to 'take the next ferry' but that just doesn't happen.YES. The Hosts discussed whether Olwë would know why Círdan was suddenly staying behind, and I want them to have that conversation. Olwë can still be confused and feel a bit betrayed (what do you mean you aren't going now??), but Círdan should at least attempt to explain.
Círdan is taking the long view here. The *really* long view. He knows that all the people of the Teleri are spread out throughout Middle Earth behind them. It's not just a matter of waiting for Elwë...he wants to wait for all the elves who will someday want to go to Valinor, but are currently too enamored of Middle Earth to make that journey. He wants to wait, there at the edge of Beleriand, to keep the door open for them so that they can have the chance to go...eventually. He knows that by making this decision, he is denying himself the trip to Valinor for many long ages. But...he wants to be that bridge, and make that sacrifice. It's a very momentous decision, and says a lot about the overall theme of the season (should the elves go to Valinor or not?), so I want to give it the proper weight.
I think that Círdan would encourage Olwë to go on now while he has the chance, but there are some issues there. If we give Círdan the gift of foresight, if we make this a message from Ulmo (or even Ilúvatar) that his heart has heard in the waters of the Sea....then...what does he know of Olwë's fate? Does he know that Olwë will be killed at Alqualondë? (I mean, we are doing that, right? We aren't going to wimp out and just kill a bunch of nameless Teleri, are we?) Does he express the hope that they will meet again, many ages hence, on the shores of Valinor? Or does he say something about how he knows they will never again see each other in life? Or does Olwë express the hope that they will meet again soon, and Círdan is just silently troubled by that?
Yes! I think we should try to do that, if it is possible.