Nicholas Palazzo
Well-Known Member
Another important thing I'm missing is where we want Fingolfin and Thingol to end up.
I agree with what you gave him, but we can't really show it this season. If "unanticipated horrifying monster came out of nowhere and we have no idea what it is or how to stop it" = Monster of the Week, then I think that's exactly how the finale should feel. Although not unconnected to what came before (or Season 5's finale).I just came to the horrifying realization that we have to have an arc for Glaurung. Otherwise, our "Finale" is going to have a distinct "Monster of the Week" feel to it.
I agree with what you gave him, but we can't really show it this season. If "unanticipated horrifying monster came out of nowhere and we have no idea what it is or how to stop it" = Monster of the Week, then I think that's exactly how the finale should feel. Although not unconnected to what came before (or Season 5's finale).
I would disagree with a few points. "Colonialism" isn't a good name for Finrod's midpoint because he's not knowingly or deliberately conquering and subjugating anyone. I think "cosmopolitanism" is Finrod's midpoint, while Turgon's is foreboding. And I would call Maedhros' starting point "gratitude".
So you don't think we can make him a surprise or a mystery,
Is there any way we can have Morgoth in Angband making cryptic comments of his work in making something mightier than Orcs because the Orcs unaided have failed him? Or have Gothmog have a converstion with offscreen-Glaurung in Episode 12?
The problem is that if we introduce Glaurung too early, we run the risk of his appearance in FA 260 not coming off as a shock to the audience that Morgoth has created something bigger than a troll that can withstand sunlight. The fact that he makes it a long distance across Ard-Galen is a shock, with a sunny day that no Troll would have been able to manage without a large cloud of ash from Thangorodrim.
The Star Wars animated micro-series Star Wars: Clone Wars debuted General Grievous in the first season finale, Chapter 20. He fights six Jedi, killing two or three, deals severe injuries to all but one of the rest, and is just about to finish the last standing Jedi off when he is interrupted by a gunship of clone troopers, who have already proven their mettle earlier in the series, and he is a match for them until the gunship shows up and forces him to flee.It seems like part of the difficulty comes down to Morgoth's plans unfolding over centuries, which isn't normally how these things happen (or are depicted) in TV. Glaurung's appearance in the season finale, as big as it seems to the Elves, is itself only a teaser for the Dagor Bragollach... which won't necessarily be hinted at again until the Season 5 finale.
Can anyone think of any example of an arc-heavy show that had a major enemy come as a total surprise to the protagonists? How did they convey it?
What we don't want is for it to feel like Glaurung came out of nowhere (the way Ungoliant feels in the Silmarillion). We'll convey that he's from Angband, and part of Morgoth's overall plans. But we also need to make it feel more connected to his other plans?
Can we make it feel more tied to the existing plots by having a vision of fire and smoke in the foreboding visions Turgon and Finrod receive? Both of their kingdoms will be destroyed by Dragons, and Ulmo at least knows Gondolin "shall be in peril of fire" someday.
So would he be a voice in the darkness, per se?This would happen only if the audience sees Glaurung in bodily form, which I'm not advocating for.
Can anyone think of any example of an arc-heavy show that had a major enemy come as a total surprise to the protagonists? How did they convey it?
So would he be a voice in the darkness, per se
The Star Wars animated micro-series Star Wars: Clone Wars debuted General Grievous in the first season finale, Chapter 20. He fights six Jedi, killing two or three, deals severe injuries to all but one of the rest, and is just about to finish the last standing Jedi off when he is interrupted by a gunship of clone troopers, who have already proven their mettle earlier in the series, and he is a match for them until the gunship shows up and forces him to flee.
Here’s a video:
No, he doesn’t show up onscreen in Attack of the Clones. This micro series was created in 2003-2004, with Season 2 in 2005 as a direct bridge into Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith.Correct me if I'm wrong, did this not release after Grievous was introduced in Attack of the Clones?
Can we make it feel more tied to the existing plots by having a vision of fire and smoke in the foreboding visions Turgon and Finrod receive? Both of their kingdoms will be destroyed by Dragons, and Ulmo at least knows Gondolin "shall be in peril of fire" someday.
Yes, I had it mixed up with Revenge of the Sith.No, he doesn’t show up onscreen in Attack of the Clones. This micro series was created in 2003-2004, with Season 2 in 2005 as a direct bridge into Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith.