Arwen

Ange1e4e5

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Suggestion: could Arwen and Luthien be played by the same actress? Arwen is said to be the spitting image of Luthien.

If so, I would suggest Daisy Ridley.
 

Haakon

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It is something that has crossed my mind actually. But even if there are aspects of the idea that are poetic I think it would give us problems. Would this imply that Lúthien is reborn? Since elves are supposed to be reincarnated (at least to some degree and at least according to certain texts) this isn't a far fetched assumption. But Lúthien's destiny was very special and I think her being reincarnated in Arwen isn't somewhere we want to go. So I suggest we stay as far away from that as possible.
 

Carlia

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I like idea of basing Lúthien's image in Edith so much it turns my heart to jelly.

I think that is it fitting for Lúthien to look like her because at the end (or begining) of the day, Edith WAS Lúthien. It also seems very poetic to me for that reason.

I know it sounds weird, but for me, it would feel like a direct tribute to profesor Tolkien as the author, not only to his works and his books.
 

Haakon

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We must try to find an actress who looks like Edith when we do the casting for Lúthien. But I maintain that Arwen should be played by another actress. And I think it will be hard to find one actress who is an Edith look alike, and extremely hard to find two such actresses. Let's try to think of Arwen as someone who reminds people of Lúthien, but in a more subtle way.
 

Carlia

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We must try to find an actress who looks like Edith when we do the casting for Lúthien. But I maintain that Arwen should be played by another actress. And I think it will be hard to find one actress who is an Edith look alike, and extremely hard to find two such actresses. Let's try to think of Arwen as someone who reminds people of Lúthien, but in a more subtle way.
Maybe we can do the effect of "look alike" with hair and make up? Using a similar hairstyle and dressing them in similar clothes to create a connection?
 

Haakon

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I think it would be better if they actually have some facial resemblance, or behave and move in a similar way. But yes, I think hairstyle is one way to do it. I'm not so sure about clothing.
 

Haakon

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Actually (Ange1e4e5 will be happy about this), Daisy Ridley can look like Edith quite a lot. upload_2016-6-23_8-57-52.jpeg

There's something in and around the eyes there. I wouldn't say they are identical, but a twin will be hard to find.
 

MithLuin

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I am not sure why this profile portrait of Edith exists, but, it does, so.....



And here she is holding baby Michael (1921):


I agree we won't find an exact match, but I want people to be able to see a similarity in some ways, for both Arwen and Lúthien.
 

Brandon Lovesee

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I think that we first have to decide on what kind of character Arwen will be before we can cast her. I don't think we want to make her like movie Arwen (action hero with a dashing scar on her cheek), but we also don't want her to be a young female version of Elrond (bookish and loremaster.) She should probably be somewhere in between. I don't know what the answer is, but I thought I would throw this concept in the discussion.
 

Haakon

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Another alternative, for both Lúthien and Arwen is Claire Foy. She played Anne Boleyn in 'Wolf Hall'. She's a really versatile actress. upload_2016-8-5_11-45-49.jpeg
 

Richol Richards

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What about Gemma Arterton for Arwen? I do think she'd be a pretty good fit for the dual role aspect as well, though. She does look like she could be the daughter of Melian, as portrayed by Rachel Weisz. Not an identical resemblance, but credible enough. Not sure about the striking resemblance to Edith Tolkien but....

As Arwen:

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As Lúthien:

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(With hair and makeup into consideration for both, of course)


Melian and Lúthien:

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Hatleking

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I honestly do not like the dual role idea. They are two distinct characters and the audience get the similarities with their situations even without having the same actor. Why is it so popular?
 

Richol Richards

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My preference actually swings towards casting different actresses. I'd kind of like Arwen to have her own distinct appeal. I found it interesting that Arterton could pass as Lúthien too, so figured I'd throw that context in as well to see how it would stack up. Still prefer her for Arwen, but she wouldn't make a bad Lúthien either. Definitely not saying she has to be both. If it came down to a single actress, however, she'd be someone who would make that idea okay for me. But yes, Arwen primarily.
 

MithLuin

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I certainly agree that they should be two different actresses. But the similarity should be strong enough that when Arwen says, "I have often been told I look like her," the audience doesn't scoff.
 

Ange1e4e5

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Perhaps Rebecca Night could be paired with Daisy Ridley, with one as Arwen and the other as Luthien. Night played Fanny Hill in Fanny Hill and Catherine Linton-Heathcliff-Earnshaw in Wuthering Heights (2009).
 
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