On the Corruption of Beleriand

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  1. Ange1e4e5

    Ange1e4e5 Well-Known Member

    So as the forces of Morgoth take over the realms of Beleriand one by one, it’s mentioned that the land itself is corrupted, that sacred lakes are defiled. How do we portray that onscreen? Tangled roots? Gnarled bark? And how does Morgoth affect the water as he does with the Pools of Ivrin? Is he like the Night King from Game of Thrones, who brings blizzards and cold wherever he goes?
     
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  2. Halstein

    Halstein Active Member

    Making the water look like sewer-water. Unfortunately it is hard to convey stench onscreen, but that is an obvious way to tell that the water is despoiled.
     
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  3. Haerangil

    Haerangil Well-Known Member

  4. Ange1e4e5

    Ange1e4e5 Well-Known Member

  5. Haerangil

    Haerangil Well-Known Member

    Some of rick brands fotografies are really morbid, i could think a similar aesthetic could work as a singn of the corruption in a screenplay.
     
  6. Kathrin

    Kathrin New Member

    That looks really gloomy...

    I can't decide in my mind if I'd imagine the Desolation of Morgoth (If you will) as very foul and sick or so bleak and sterile as in that picture.. (of fiery?) Or maybe it depends from place to place. It can't be just Mirkwood or Mordor all over the place.
     
  7. Faelivrin

    Faelivrin Well-Known Member

    The woods would be like Mirkwood, especially Taur-nu-Fuin. But what is the Mirkwood look? Do the trees change shape? They don’t all die. Beren survived a little while in there, as a vegetarian, so there must be living edible plants.

    Anfauglith is fairly easy: it was burned to dust and nothing ever grew there again. Some combination of a barren sandy desert with Gorgoroth in Mordor. But frozen and snowy, with burnt bones and whole skeletons.

    For the rest, somehow we want to convey spiritual pollution. One technique might be to make colors less saturated on screen, just enough to look greyish without being really obvious.
     
  8. Kathrin

    Kathrin New Member

    Yeah that sounds cool (well, also depressing), a real hopelessly grim, grey forest with very few flowers or fruits.

    When I think of corrupted trees, I think of trees that are sick, whose leaves have turned partly into unnatural colors, there are lots of parasites (plants, animals, funghi) sucking out the energy, there is standing foul water in all the basins.. (I've been playing the Witcher 1 lately, there's a really cool murky swamp in there, my description just made me think of that). It is also very desaturated and nebulous like you said.

    Or the typical Mirkwood thing where everything is very dark and twisted and absolutely no space to breathe. Although I wonder how anything grows in there, when only the treetops get any light. Are there symbiotic/parasitic relationships between the undergrowth and the trees?
     
  9. Haerangil

    Haerangil Well-Known Member

    i think for hithlum and large parts of northern beleriand we could go for tundra landscapes..

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    for anfauglith, one could go with volcanic deserts..

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    or maybe grey , dusty moon-landscape looking places
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    as for taur nu fuin, i guess we can find morboid looking forests..

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  10. Kathrin

    Kathrin New Member

    The first one may have a bit too much "high-landish" charm for me but I get the cold feel you're going for, the volcanic and barren landscapes and the sick forests are very good too. (I am a bit amused by the third one though, as those stonemen very characteristic of popular hiking spots so I'm associating middle aged elves with backpacks hiking through every so often. xD

    Here is what I referred to with the Witcher thing, not even that dark or dead, but just permanently twilight-ish, cold and wet swamplands, and everything is rotting away very slowly. There are also a lot of places where it's very foggy and disorientating and in-game you're really happy to get out of the swamp again after a while because it's kinda depressing.

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  11. Faelivrin

    Faelivrin Well-Known Member

    For every landscape except Anfauglith, I think the change is at least somewhat gradual.


    For forests, I'm reminded of a line somewhere, describing Mirkwood or perhaps Taur-nu-Fuin. The trees strive darkly against each other, or something like that.

    In pictures of European forests, the trees often appear to grow well apart from one another. I don't know if those are natural forests or plantations. But anyway, picture a clean forest with trees of all different sizes, including a lot of enormous old giants, but none are too close together, or tangled with each other. The forest floor is dim but not pitch dark, sprinkled with rosebushes and flowers and herbs and wholesome mushrooms. Beleriand was touched by the Valar and probably blessed by Melian, so imagine there's very little disease or parasites. It's all clean, bright greens and flowers.

    Morgoth spreads his influence and green things "fell sick and rotted", as at the end of the Spring of Arda. So imagine in that forest, the old trees start getting dead limbs, rotting holes, parasitic fungi, black cankers, discolored and misshapen leaves. Insects start swarming and overeating. At the same time they're starting to rot, the old trees start growing new limbs at crazy angles, tangled with each other or hanging down like grasping hands, while new trees sprout up too close to each other and seem to fight. Poisonous plants and mushrooms, thorny stuff, and vines that strangle trees replace a lot of the flowers. The whole scene also becomes a bit greyer.

    And we shouldn't forget how ambient music, and bird sounds, can help set a scene.


    On grasslands, I imagine one of the distinctions is between abundant herds, and very few surviving animals. In a lake or wetland, lots of happy noisy birds vs. lots of rot and flies.
     
  12. Haerangil

    Haerangil Well-Known Member

  13. Faelivrin

    Faelivrin Well-Known Member

    I forgot to respond to this earlier. The Pools of Ivrin were defiled by Gaurung stomping and wallowing in them and oozing poison into them. I have no doubt Morgoth could dump physical and spiritual pollution into any water to defile it. Perhaps the volcanic ashes from Thangorodrim's eruption, in Dagor Bragollach, are such a pollution.
     
  14. Haerangil

    Haerangil Well-Known Member

    I've always thought those were nice descriptions on how he defacated into them...
     

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