Session 7-07 and 7-08: Other Season 7 Stories

[Odola]

Isn't that stated in the text, that Morwen's pride (and also false hope that Húrin would return to her) in not wanting to lower herself to being a guest, even that of a King, is one of the first strands in Túrin's fate?

Calling on someone to pay a short formal courtesy visit exchanging greetings and news, drinking a stirrup cup and chatting, visiting the graves of relatively close kin - her own father's first cousin Beldis and her husband's double first cousin Handir (especially as we make Hurin [& Huor] and Handir having been very close in their youth and together in Gondolin) - is not "being a guest" - it is just being decent.

The more so, as the kinsman in question - Brandir the Lame - happens to be impaired in his mobility from his childhood on and as such not expected to travel far himself. To neglect one's duty of courtesy towards an impaired kinsman - regardless if he also happens to be a leader of a small nation that one happens to disregard - is dishonourable.

 

[MithLuin]

Let's work this backwards.

Brandir does not recognize Nienor when she arrives as 'Niniel' in Brethil.
So, we know that in the story Nienor and Brandir have not met as adults (and presumably have never met).
Therefore, when Morwen travels from Dor-lómin to Doriath in Season 9, she and Nienor do not visit Brandir on the way.

So, we know that is happening in that way. What we will have to do is come up with a plausible explanation as to why Morwen makes that decision at that time. Maybe they run into trouble on the road and are prevented from entering Brethil. Maybe her pride makes her dislike being seen this way by anyone who would know her or be family. Does some weird chance/fate disrupt the possible meeting? Anyway, we'll come up with something, because we must.

But I must once again remind everyone that Nienor is not a character in Season 7.

 

[Ange1e4e5]

Calling on someone to pay a short formal courtesy visit exchanging greetings and news, drinking a stirrup cup and chatting, visiting the graves of relatively close kin - her own father's first cousin Beldis and her husband's double first cousin Handir (especially as we make Hurin [& Huor] and Handir having been very close in their youth and together in Gondolin) - is not "being a guest" - it is just being decent.

The more so, as the kinsman in question - Brandir the Lame - happens to be impaired in his mobility from his childhood on and as such not expected to travel far himself. To neglect one's duty of courtesy towards an impaired kinsman - regardless if he also happens to be a leader of a small nation that one happens to disregard - is dishonourable.

We're talking about long-term lodging, not a stopover on the way to somewhere. There's a difference.

 

[MithLuin]

Notes from Session 7-07

Gwindor
Gwindor has a fairly significant role in the court of Nargothrond while Orodreth is king. It is not out of place for him to marry Orodreth's daughter Finduilas. He does not get a promotion upon his return from Angband, so he's already a person of some status in this season. He's one of Finrod's people who fought in the Fens of Serech during the Dagor Bragollach. Gwindor attends the Summit at Tol Sirion where Fingon and Maedhros seek support for the Union. He's a person of some rank and standing in Nargothrond.

One of Gwindor's key personality traits is his impetuousness. We need that to be present, while also explaining why he did not join Finrod and Beren's quest. There should be a contrast between the quests - Finrod's was fairly hopeless (low amdir), while the Union of Maedhros seems more likely to succeed. He has survivor's guilt over the loss of Guilin and the death of Finrod.

Gwindor and Finduilas are in love. She did not want him to go on Finrod's Quest, and he does not (not shown at the time, but alluded to during this season). He regrets that decision in some ways (survivor's guilt). She also does not want him to go join the Union, and has a specific foreboding that his going will not end well. They have a fight about this, and he decides to go anyway, despite her saying 'it's that or me.' Thus, when he leaves for the battle, it's with a broken engagement.


Gil-galad
Gil-galad needs to be building his resume. He should have a diplomatic win this season. We have to be careful which stories we incorporate him in for the future. We don't want him in Nargothrond while Túrin is there, and not there during the sack of Nargothrond, either. We considered the option of sending him to Gondolin after the Nirnaeth, but had concerns about how that would disrupt the Tuor story. He has already been a diplomat to Doriath, and there is a role this season for encouraging Thingol to open up Doriath to communications, supplies, and/or sending troops. Therefore, it makes sense to place Gil-galad in Doriath this season, with opportunity to join Beleg and Mablung in the battle. This will give him in-person experience of the major events of this time. We can see him carry a spear into battle, but he will not yet have Aeglos.


Celebrimbor
Celebrimbor is a personal friend of Orodreth, King of Nargothrond, since Season 4. He very recently repudiated his Fëanorean heritage by disowning his father Curufin. He will have to survive Glaurung's attack on Nargothrond, but it would not be overly problematic to have him simply survive the battle and lead the remnant of Nargothrond down to the Havens. So, if he is going to remain in Nargothrond, it will be important that he not play a role in the king's council. Perhaps he is very aware of how bad it would look for a Fëanorean to be on the king's council in Nargothrond, perhaps he is simply not all that interested in ruling. He can focus on his craftsmanship, and maintain his personal friendship with Orodreth in private. We did consider the possibility of sending him to Gondolin at this time as well, since there is that story with the Elessar that involves him. But ultimately, that would infringe upon Maeglin's story, and so we will leave him in Nargothrond for now. Celebrimbor will not join the Union of Maedhros.


Thingol
After the incident with kidnapping Lúthien, Thingol has reason not to trust the Fëanoreans. And he does hold a silmaril, so he knows that they are oathbound to pursue him with ill will. The Oath of Fëanor promises treachery and gives no opportunity for immunity. "Neither law, nor love, nor league of swords, dread nor danger, not Doom itself, shall defend him from Fëanor, and Fëanor's kin, whoso hideth or hoardeth, or in hand taketh, finding keepeth or afar casteth a Silmaril. This swear we all: death we will deal him ere Day's ending, woe unto world's end!" So, Thingol is currently safe within the Girdle of Melian, but there would be no diplomatic way for him to join the Union or march with the armies of Doriath even if he wanted to. The actions of Celegorm and Curufin have cost Maedhros the support of Doriath, but that's not the primary reason Thingol refuses.

Melian has to have some impression that this venture is doomed. She will know that the Union of Maedhros is going to end not in victory but in unnumbered tears. So when Fingon's ambassador (Gil-galad) insists that "now is the time," she can privately tell Thingol that, no, the time is not yet here. Therefore, his refusal to go "all-in" like Fingon, Maedhros, and Húrin means that he is not making a short-sighted or selfish call, but rather making the best decision he can to protect his people. His refusal is not merely petty.

It is also not a total refusal of support. Communication between east and west Beleriand would be easiest if it passed through Doriath. He could permit the messengers to pass through his kingdom to allow for the planning and coordination of the war. He could offer material aid, in the form of food or other supplies that an army would need, to assist the cause. And he could even allow for volunteers to form a contingent and join the fighting, without ordering his army out to fight. In short, he is not joining, but he is not necessarily slamming his door in everyone's face, either.

Beleg, Mablung, and Gil-galad will make their way to the front with a small group of warriors from Doriath. Celeborn will serve as Thingol's ambassador to the Union, speaking for him to the Noldor. Celeborn will not be on the battlefield, but back in Doriath when the war begins.


Círdan
Círdan has continually showed interest in building relationships with the leaders of the Noldor. He's also running the world's only navy. So, he is supportive of the fight, and has the means to aid in supplying Hithlum through the Firth of Drengist. He can also keep the coast of Beleriand safe from any incursions, so that the 'inland' landlocked battle will not have to worry about being flanked by any forces coming down the coast. Making 'logistics' look interesting onscreen can be a challenge, but Círdan will be working with others to coordinate, so we should see his interactions with Celeborn (for coordinating Doriath's actions), and also with Nargothrond if that is the source of some of the supplies.

 

[Odola]

Let's work this backwards.

Brandir does not recognize Nienor when she arrives as 'Niniel' in Brethil.
So, we know that in the story Nienor and Brandir have not met as adults (and presumably have never met).
Therefore, when Morwen travels from Dor-lómin to Doriath in Season 9, she and Nienor do not visit Brandir on the way.

So, we know that is happening in that way. What we will have to do is come up with a plausible explanation as to why Morwen makes that decision at that time. Maybe they run into trouble on the road and are prevented from entering Brethil. Maybe her pride makes her dislike being seen this way by anyone who would know her or be family. Does some weird chance/fate disrupt the possible meeting? Anyway, we'll come up with something, because we must.

Pride would be more fruitful explanation, as this is one one her characteristic and she seldom can be prideful.

I suggest one of her servants reminds her when they pass Brethil by on their way to Doriath by that Brandir is her kinsman and even more so her husband's and that she should call on him. Ans that she willfully dismisses this suggestion considering Brandir below her notice. We could show the faces of her companions fall and them be dismayed and distressed at her decision.

Then when they are passing through this area on the way to Nargothrond one of the elves they travel with might remind her again and she dismisses it again for being out of time.
As far I remember Nienor was then following them in secret, still the elves searching for her later after she had run away on their way back would then have asked Brandir if he had seen the lost girl and would have described her to him. Insofar Brandir would have been aware that there is a mad girl running around and that she is Morwen's own daughter and her name is Nienor. Which would be enough for Turin to hear of to not marry her.

But I must once again remind everyone that Nienor is not a character in Season 7.

Bur Handir is. We have to think of it a little when we set his context up, as Brandir will be his son.

 

[MithLuin]

Respectfully, that conversation is off topic for this thread. It would be more fruitful to discuss the storylines that we discussed in session 7-07, or the dwarf and villain storylines that we plan to discuss next session.

For instance, one of the things we should consider in this season is whether or not we will see the prisoners of Angband. We last saw them when Lúthien was there, and we know that Guilin is among them. Do we have any story for them before the Nirnaeth?

 

[Odola]

Respectfully, that conversation is off topic for this thread. It would be more fruitful to discuss the storylines that we discussed in session 7-07, or the dwarf and villain storylines that we plan to discuss next session.

Oh, should not be in its own thread? Oh, I have overlooked that the title of the thread has been changed, sorry.

Please specify which of the villains and which of the dwarves need a story. Does Mim need a small scene yet? The question as posed is a little too general, at least for me, to come up with ideas.

• Villains:
• Morgoth - we are not shown what he does, as this is a surprise
• Gothmog - is happy that Sauron left
• Boldog - he should be dead already so he could do anything as long it does not matter - he has no relevance for the story more than being killed by any of our heroes whenever it happens to suit us
• Glaurung- enjoys his holidays in Dorthonion until he is called back to Angband

not much story there?

 

[MithLuin]

Yes, since we've been discussing all of the minor storylines in this thread, I did not wish to separate the discussions. For instance, we can continue talking about Boldog, rather than having to quote and bring over the earlier discussion. Still, the focus of this thread needs to remain Season 7 storylines, not Season 9.

 

[MithLuin]

Boldog is very much alive in Silm Film. He is slated to be killed in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. Nick has suggested on the podcast that Húrin could kill him. Húrin is a great warrior, and that would give him an opportunity for an interaction during the war that showcases that before his final stand. But since Boldog is still around, and we do need for Galdor to die suddenly early in the season, would it be possible to have Boldog lead the skirmish where Galdor is killed? If there's a story there, and a history, that could help us tell the story of Boldog and Húrin meeting on the field of battle later. That is the type of storytelling we're looking for, so these villains don't just come out of nowhere at the end of the season, but have something they've been working on themselves all along, in counterpoint to the Union of Maedhros.

So, for Gothmog...he's been the right hand guy for Morgoth all along. But Sauron has been a thorn in his side, showing him up, having victories while he has failures. Sauron snatched Tol Sirion out from under Gothmog at the beginning of last season. And then....Sauron failed. For the first time ever, it seemed! What does that do for Gothmog and the balrogs? Do they ignore it? Do they feel vindicated? Do they do something to try to keep Sauron gone? Are they puzzled about where he has gone and what he is doing? We have to figure out what they're up to. Is Gothmog more concerned about Sauron's activity and whereabouts than what the Noldor are planning? Or is he 'good riddance' about Sauron and actually focusing on the strategy to win the war against the Elves of Beleriand? We have to pick a trajectory for him, one that will end (in this season) with his 'grim meeting' with Fingon, and will ultimately end when he is killed by Ecthelion's helmet in Gondolin.

For Dorthonion, there is an important question of when the dragon is there. The strategy of the Union of Maedhros relies on a pincher move that works (or, well....would work) because Morgoth's forces are no longer in Angband. So, that suggests that Dorthonion is still rather orc-infested at the time of the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. They could just be on the plains, but... Then, in the book, Maedhros retakes Dorthonion before the battle. That serves to alert Morgoth that they're up to something. If Glaurung is in Dorthonion, it's going to be difficult to retake. Would that still make sense? So, can they plan the Nirnaeth without first retaking Dorthonion? And if we choose not to do that...how and when does Morgoth find out about the Union of Maedhros?

So, there's a few questions to discuss before the next session, for anyone who is interested.

 

[kanji_d]

So, for Gothmog...he's been the right hand guy for Morgoth all along. But Sauron has been a thorn in his side, showing him up, having victories while he has failures. Sauron snatched Tol Sirion out from under Gothmog at the beginning of last season. And then....Sauron failed. For the first time ever, it seemed! What does that do for Gothmog and the balrogs? Do they ignore it? Do they feel vindicated? Do they do something to try to keep Sauron gone? Are they puzzled about where he has gone and what he is doing? We have to figure out what they're up to. Is Gothmog more concerned about Sauron's activity and whereabouts than what the Noldor are planning? Or is he 'good riddance' about Sauron and actually focusing on the strategy to win the war against the Elves of Beleriand? We have to pick a trajectory for him, one that will end (in this season) with his 'grim meeting' with Fingon, and will ultimately end when he is killed by Ecthelion's helmet in Gondolin.

I can't think of a good way to get Gothmog involved in the Sauron plotline, since Gothmog is not the scheming type and Sauron is too far away to solve the problem with a whip. So I think he has to be somewhat actively involved in the war. I don't remember what we decided the exact details of Sauron's excursion in the East were, but is it possible that we can give Gothmog some assignment Westward or Southward? Sauron and Gothmog are one of our earliest conflicts and we should bring that to a satisfying climax by the time we reach the Nirnaeth, as I don't see much opportunity to do it elsewhere before Gothmog is killed.

Off from this idea, maybe Gothmog thinks Sauron ought to be more harshly disciplined than he is after the fall of Tol-in-Gaurhoth, and sees whatever his assignment is as a competition with Sauron. The exact outcome of this depends on how we choose to portray Sauron's success: is Morgoth satisfied with the betrayal of the Easterlings, or is there a bias against him which means that only turning half their forces against the Noldor is still dissatisfactory? I think we've been holding back on an independent Sauron plotline for a while now, so maybe that's the better option to kickstart his independent arc, rather than giving him a new mission every season. I'm not totally sure.

 

[Ange1e4e5]

I can't think of a good way to get Gothmog involved in the Sauron plotline, since Gothmog is not the scheming type and Sauron is too far away to solve the problem with a whip. So I think he has to be somewhat actively involved in the war. I don't remember what we decided the exact details of Sauron's excursion in the East were, but is it possible that we can give Gothmog some assignment Westward or Southward? Sauron and Gothmog are one of our earliest conflicts and we should bring that to a satisfying climax by the time we reach the Nirnaeth, as I don't see much opportunity to do it elsewhere before Gothmog is killed.

Off from this idea, maybe Gothmog thinks Sauron ought to be more harshly disciplined than he is after the fall of Tol-in-Gaurhoth, and sees whatever his assignment is as a competition with Sauron. The exact outcome of this depends on how we choose to portray Sauron's success: is Morgoth satisfied with the betrayal of the Easterlings, or is there a bias against him which means that only turning half their forces against the Noldor is still dissatisfactory? I think we've been holding back on an independent Sauron plotline for a while now, so maybe that's the better option to kickstart his independent arc, rather than giving him a new mission every season. I'm not totally sure.

Gothmog is going to be leading the portion of Morgoth's armies in the west which is where Fingon gets killed.

We could make the Easterlings answerable to Sauron alone, given that they seem to come running whenever he needs a human army for 6,500 years.

 

[Alvisan]

Notes from Session 7-07

Gil-galad
Gil-galad needs to be building his resume. He should have a diplomatic win this season. We have to be careful which stories we incorporate him in for the future. We don't want him in Nargothrond while Túrin is there, and not there during the sack of Nargothrond, either.

Círdan
Círdan has continually showed interest in building relationships with the leaders of the Noldor.

I like the idea of having Gil-Galad in Doriath this season (maybe develop his relationship with Celeborn?), but I also think that we need to add a new story for him next season: the fall of the Falas:
- many elves feed to the Falas after the Nirnaeth (maybe both Sindar and Noldor?)
- when Morgoth attacks Brithombar and Eglarest, Gil-Galad could be the one trying to help them (at the same time that Beleg and Turin would be fighting in the borders of Doriath)
- Gil-Galad would ask for help in Nargothrond (now there are no Feanorians involved and Turgon is hidden), help could be rejected and he breaks away from his father or he could get help but still lose which reinforces Orodreth's policy of not going to battle
- the Falas are lost and Gil-Galad flees with Cirdan to the Isle of Balar. Cirdan is still the leader but Gil-Galad is the military commander with connections with all the other realms (closer to his future High King role)

 

[MithLuin]

Yes, the advantage of Doriath is that Gil-galad can come and go - so we can reconsider his exit at every point between now and the second sack of Doriath.

I think that the attack on the Falas will be a very good way of showing the consequences of the failure of the Union of Maedhros. The world of Beleriand is much more dangerous in Túrin's time than in earlier ages, and that danger and uncertainty is focused on the 'nowhere is safe'. For now, there are islands of safety - Gondolin, Doriath, Nargothrond - but they are all going to fall one by one. The destruction of Eglarest and Brithombar is a precursor to that.

We'll have to pick a time for that. Probably after we show Dor-lómin overrun by Easterlings. Any time after the Nirnaeth will fit. It has to be before Tuor is visiting a deserted Vinyamar, as that emptiness should fit an aftermath of the attack. Regardless, yes, we can consider getting Gil-galad involved in that.

The story of the Mouths of Sirion is the refugees of fallen Beleriand gathering together. Círdan will gather them there at first, but if Gil-galad is going to be recognized as leader, he should be there fairly early on. If we wait until the second sack of Doriath to bring him there, he'll be walking into a well-established community, and we'll have to explain in-story why he becomes High King, and not (say) Celebrimbor, who will be at the Havens from the fall of Nargothrond (in our current plan).

During the session, gdtaurion suggested that Gil-galad lead "guerilla warfare" in Beleriand after the Nirnaeth, and that idea fits well with the suggestion to have Gil-galad involved in the defense/retreat from the Falas.

 

[Odola]

During the session, gdtaurion suggested that Gil-galad lead "guerilla warfare" in Beleriand after the Nirnaeth, and that idea fits well with the suggestion to have Gil-galad involved in the defense/retreat from the Falas.

Making him an adult makes it also necessary to him reacting to the death of his parents and sister - so whatever he ends doing, it should be something he can keep on doing while he is in deep mourning.

 

[Alvisan]

Making him an adult makes it also necessary to him reacting to the death of his parents and sister - so whatever he ends doing, it should be something he can keep on doing while he is in deep mourning.

Wow, Gil-Galad's story just gets better and better.

My suggestion for Aeglos would be that he gets it after the War of Wrath: when the elves of Beleriand are summoned to the West and Gil-Galad decides to stay in Middle Earth, someone from the victorious army (Ingwe? Finarfin?) hands him his weapon.

 

[Odola]

Wow, Gil-Galad's story just gets better and better.

My suggestion for Aeglos would be that he gets it after the War of Wrath: when the elves of Beleriand are summoned to the West and Gil-Galad decides to stay in Middle Earth, someone from the victorious army (Ingwe? Finarfin?) hands him his weapon.

Ingwë stayed behind in Valinor. So it would be Ingwion, his firstborn son, far more likely. Ingwion was the leader of the Vanyarin hosts on behalf of his father - the High King of all the Elves - in the War of Wrath.

https://tolkiengateway.net/w/images/d/d6/Elena_Kukanova_-_War_of_Wrath.jpg

But even so the spear could have been Ingwë's, e.g. handed to his son when he accepted this mission from his royal father's hands.

Spears are the default weapons of the Vanyar (the Vanyar are also called "Spear-elves"), just as Noldor's are swords and the Sindar's are bows.
So Ingwion handing Gil-Galad the spear of Ingwë, the same that Ingwion has used in the War of Wrath and which led the Vanyar to victory, before Ingwion boarded the ship to return to Aman, would be a grand and symbolic and hallowing gesture.

[And as the possible origin of the spear was discussed in the 7.7 session, so it should be fine to mention it in this thread - And I really do hope we will not replace Ingwion with e.g. Indis in this role - shudder at the mere thought...].

{Edit: some sources:

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Ingwion

Ingil

Ingil was the son of Inwë, the King of the Eldar, according to the early version of the legendarium in The Book of Lost Tales.

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Meril-i-Turinqi

Meril-i-Turinqi was the Lady of Tol Eressëa, according to the early version of the legendarium in The Book of Lost Tales. Meril dwelt in a white house inside a great...

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]

 

[Alcarohtar]

Not been active here in ages, just had an idea after listening to the last episode. Sorry if this has already been brought up, been too busy to pay attention to the forum lately :/

So I completely agree it is better to have Thingol be a bit careful with the feanorians than just refuse them completely. BUT Celegorm and Curufin's actions last season should have some consequences. In the session you suggested that Thingol could allow voluntaries to go. So instead of Thingol refusing to let his people fight, many doriathrins can refuse to volunteer to go fight for the feanorians. That could retain the bad consequences from the Nargothrond episode, while still letting Thingol go a bit under the radar.

Maybe we could get some drama between Celegorm/Curufin and Maedhros. C-bros saying that Thingol is bad bla bla bla, and Maedhros saying they are lucky at least some from Doriath still wanna fight with them after what they have done.

 

[Odola]

Not been active here in ages, just had an idea after listening to the last episode. Sorry if this has already been brought up, been too busy to pay attention to the forum lately :/

So I completely agree it is better to have Thingol be a bit careful with the feanorians than just refuse them completely. BUT Celegorm and Curufin's actions last season should have some consequences. In the session you suggested that Thingol could allow voluntaries to go. So instead of Thingol refusing to let his people fight, many doriathrins can refuse to volunteer to go fight for the feanorians. That could retain the bad consequences from the Nargothrond episode, while still letting Thingol go a bit under the radar.

Maybe we could get some drama between Celegorm/Curufin and Maedhros. C-bros saying that Thingol is bad bla bla bla, and Maedhros saying they are lucky at least some from Doriath still wanna fight with them after what they have done.

But how much does Thingol knows of it?
How much does he care about political strife in Nargothrong?
Finrod is his grand-nephew but the death of Finrod was mostly Finrod's own doing - Finrod willingly went out on a suicide mission. Thingol does not make any attempt to avenge Finrod on Sauron, why would he try to avenge him on the C-bros, who are only very indirectly responsible?

Writing a letter with a marriage proposal is not really a crime

and

at the attack during the "Leap of Beren" only Luthien and Beren were present beyond the C-brothers, and I doubt that any of those mentioned told Thingol much of it. This would be politically unwise and unnecessary unnerving and Beren is not the one to praise himself too much. So it is not something either of Luthien and Beren would be happy to talk much about.
The C-brothers wanted to kill Beren, but Thingol himself wanted him death at that time. So he cannot blame them much for that.
That one of them shoot at Luthien is arguable, as anything can happen during a skirmish accidentally, Thingol could as much be angry at Beren at putting Luthien at risk by starting an attack with her present.
And by the way it was Thingol who started it all by demanding a Silmaril and Thingol must to be aware of it - he is not stupid and not completely lacking self-awareness.

No really much Thingol can be "officially" mad about, he can be mad in private, but he had no public reason to go after them or to oppose them for a private matter in one where all of elvendom is concerned.

Remember that elves are quite aware of their limits beyond their own borders, and not keen to declare justice over other noble elves outside of their own jurisdiction, e.g. Cirdan does not go after the Feanorians after they kill Elwing's parents and practically kill her brothers, despite being Dior's and the boys' nearest kinsman and in line to avenge Thingol's offsping. Neither does Gil-Galad, Celeborn nor Galadriel, who would all be entitled to avenge them. Nobody bothers to care, no even Elwing herself.

 

[Alcarohtar]

But how much does Thingol knows of it? How much does he care about political strife in Nargothrong? Finrod is his grand-nephew but the death of Finrod was mostly Finrod's own doing - Finrod willingly went out on a suicide mission. Thingol does not make any attempt to avenge Finrod on Sauron, while would he avenge him on the C-bros who are only very indirectly responsible?
Writing a letter with a marriage proposal is not really a crime
and
at the attack during the "Leap of Beren" only Luthien and Beren were present beyond the C-brothers and I doubt that any of those mentioned told Thingol much of it, as this would be politically unwise and unnecessary unnerving and Beren is not the one to praise himself too much. Soit is not something either of Luthien and Beren would be happy to talk much about. The C-brothers wanted to kill Beren, but Thingol himself wanted him death at that time. So he cannot blame them much for that.
That one of them shoot at Luthien is arguable, as anything can happen during a skirmish accidentally, Thingol could as much be angry at Beren at putting Luthien at risk by starting an attack with her present.

And by the way it was Thingol who started it all by demanding a Silmaril and Thingol must to be aware of it - he is not stupid and not completely lacking self-awareness.

I guess the Sindar in Doriath wouldn't care much about a political strife within the Noldor, but surely the kidnapping of Luthien would be a bigger deal? And blackmailing Thingol to let Celegorm marry Luthien? Wasn't Thingol almost going to war with the Feanorians in the Lay of Leithian?

I seem to remember that Thingol didn't go because of the Feanorians. I haven't read that part in a year or something so maybe I'm mixing up. It makes sense that Orodreth doesn't send anyone after they tried to take over his realm, but maybe Doriath wasn't that hostile? I guess Nargothrond can play the "role" of bad consequences for the Feanorians, but I still think it would be weird to just pretend everything would be fine afterwards in Doriath.

I think a good suggestion would be to have some opposition from someone in Doriath, just not from Thingol. Thingol can't look dumb, as you said he demanded a Silmaril fully aware of the Oath. We know Saeros is part of Thingol's court, maybe he could voice some criticism towards the Feanorians. I don't think he went to the Nirnaeth, so it could be a story for him. Criticising the Feanorians for kidnapping the princess and threatening the king to marry her wouldn't make Saeros look bad. It can make him seem a little reasonable before the deal with Túrin later.

 

[Odola]

I guess the Sindar in Doriath wouldn't care much about a political strife within the Noldor, but surely the kidnapping of Luthien would be a bigger deal? And blackmailing Thingol to let Celegorm marry Luthien? Wasn't Thingol almost going to war with the Feanorians in the Lay of Leithian?

In our story she went willingly to Nargothrond expecting to get help there. And writing a letter to Thingol requesting her hand was unpleasant for Thingol privately - as for him not even Manwe himself would not be good enough for his daughter - but it is still not exactly a crime. The kidnapping attempt in the the "Leap of Beren" situation was far more reprehensible, but I do not believe Beren and Luthien would have talked more about it than strictly necessary. The C-brothers could always claim they thought Beren was the one to have abducted Luthien and they wanted just to ensure her safety. Not enough here to be "officially" mad. Privately - yes, politically - no.