S04E05 Script Discussion

Haerangil

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Would be silly if Sauron plays an instrument different in appearance from any of the instruments the elves have there, wouldn't it? So i guess he just gets a fiddle, harp, lute, lyre, flute, viol , violine, pipe, piccolo or whatever lies or stands around there..

Though it would be kind of funny of he plays drum, gong, bell, horn, tuba, whistle,cymbal, tambourine or any other more andbandish instrument... the organ! Sauron should play the organ i'd love that!
 

Nicholas Palazzo

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Would be silly if Sauron plays an instrument different in appearance from any of the instruments the elves have there, wouldn't it? So i guess he just gets a fiddle, harp, lute, lyre, flute, viol , violine, pipe, piccolo or whatever lies or stands around there..

Though it would be kind of funny of he plays drum, gong, bell, horn, tuba, whistle,cymbal, tambourine or any other more andbandish instrument... the organ! Sauron should play the organ i'd love that!
I'd actually suggested something like a hurdy gurdy (which preceded the pipe organ as a church instrument). The name sounds a bit silly, but you can play some pretty complex stuff on one, plus I kind of like the mechanical nature of the instrument for Sauron.





(May have gotten a little carried away.
 

MithLuin

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We were picturing Sauron playing his music in a room with an open window, and the elves 'affected' by it are outside. Thus, no one sees him playing the instrument while this is happening. It's to make it more realistic that Lúthien has no clue who/what is causing the bad vibes she's fighting against - it would be a little obvious if it were 'the creepy dude playing that instrument right there.'

At this point, though, I'll be happy with whatever instruments Philip Menzies wants to throw at this piece!
 

Nicholas Palazzo

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I love the name Hurdy Gurdy so much, but I don't have any way of reproducing its sound. Strangely, it is not a standard instrument on my virtual orchestra.
That isn't actually that surprising. It was invented about a thousand years ago and has a silly name. Also, they are associated with street musicians from the 19th century rather than serious musical composition.

One of the things I like them is that they are kind of like the bagpipes of the string family. The drone strings aren't that different from drone pipes.

Another cool feature is something which I think is called a trumpet string, which when engaged adds a buzzing sound which is used for rhythm. The girl playing the Game of Thrones theme is using it pretty heavily if you want an example.
 

Rhiannon

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I finished another script! Please let me know what you like and dislike about it and if you have any suggestions for changes.

I think the biggest changes I made from the script outline are making most of Act IV happen the day after Act III, which I did so that the light would be coming from the east when Galadriel is revealing the Kinslaying to Celeborn and to emphasize that the Mereth Aderthad lasts several days, and downplaying Thuringwethil's conversation with Cirdan, which I did to make sure the Mereth Aderthad ended on a positive note.
 

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Nicholas Palazzo

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I finished another script! Please let me know what you like and dislike about it and if you have any suggestions for changes.

I think the biggest changes I made from the script outline are making most of Act IV happen the day after Act III, which I did so that the light would be coming from the east when Galadriel is revealing the Kinslaying to Celeborn and to emphasize that the Mereth Aderthad lasts several days, and downplaying Thuringwethil's conversation with Cirdan, which I did to make sure the Mereth Aderthad ended on a positive note.
The only structural concern I have is that the makeup vignettes in the 4th act seem a bit heavy-handed to me. How it might come out with real actors I couldn't say.
 

Nicholas Palazzo

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Do you think it would be better without them? I could have everyone just forget what they were arguing about when Luthien sings.
I think it might be, though it would cut down on runtime.

On another note, I need to read through some of the speeches to see how long they run in real time.


Overall, I'm super-impressed, particularly with the way you wove Sauron and Thuringwethil in.
 

Rhiannon

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I don't think the runtime will be an issue. The time could be made up with more shots of Luthien dancing or something.

Sauron and Thuringwethil were fun to write. I tried to make them kind of silly in this episode since the next episode will be so much darker.
 
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