Nicholas Palazzo
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Alright, this is meant to start the discussion of the outline for Episode 3. For now, we're scheduled for May 13th @ 8ET.
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Alright, this is meant to start the discussion of the outline for Episode 3. For now, we're scheduled for May 6th @ 8ET to avoid a much longer hiatus if Prof. Olsen does the main podcast back to back. If he does not, chances are that we'll move our session back a couple of weeks.
O.k. So how about Shelob in Ered Gorgoroth? We know she lives there at that very time that Beren passes through there. She is probablly still young. So maybe about the size of a calf. How about Beren being the to one to name her? I imagine him being annoyed by being pestered by an overactive adolescent but he would lets her live as she is not fully grown yet. But this encouter might wake her "wanderlust" so that she leaves Ered Gorgoroth - maybe where he has come from - in Dorthonion - there are still other fresh warmblooded things to eat? - maybe to met Sauron later there and to leave Beleriand with him when he leaves for Eriador? She is a "pet" of Sauron when living in Cirith Ungol after all.
Yeah, I've been thinking about that as well. It kind of depends on whether or not we can make them encountering each other without either one dying a satisfying story _after_ the story where he tracks down and kills Gorgol. Generally, we don't want to tell one story - with a beginning, middle, and end - then begin another story.
- He will need to track down Gorgol. There should be some focus on his rage/intent on revenge, as well as emphasis on how dangerous it is to track a war party of orcs in Dorthonion.
- Death of Gorgol/recovery of the Ring of Barahir.
- Return to Tarn Aeluin
- Farewell to his father's grave, and vocalization of his thoughts concerning the situation in Dorthonion and the mission of the band of outlaws
- Travel to Ered Gorgoroth, and first sight of Doriath
- Reach Doriath and step through the Girdle
Naturally, we need to build a story weaving through those points. We need Beren's grief, and we need each decision he makes in this episode to be clearly his own. He can be influenced by circumstances, but he is not forced to do what he does. Beren will be a passive player in later parts of his story, but not here.
I will admit that 'conversation at his father's grave' is very much reminding me of this scene from the second season of Supernatural:
Granted, the conversation here is working in reverse - the son is trying to abandon the mission for personal happiness, and lets his father's memory talk him into becoming a hero and saving people. But conversations at graves are definitely a thing that happens in media, so I think we'll be able to convey that Beren is talking to his father just this once in a meaningful way if we stage a scene like this after Beren recovers the ring.
Odola, you will note that I did not mention Rivil's Well in my summary breakdown. The orc army is not currently at Tarn Aeluin when Beren discovers the camp slaughtered, so naturally he must travel to the place where the orcs are to exact his revenge. It may be nearby or far, but regardless, there is travel involved (presumably we will be showing some travel, though how much of these events are on or off screen can also be discussed).
Another thing to consider is whether or not we need to revisit Nargothrond in this episode. We will NOT be seeing Nargothrond in Episode 4, and then will return there in Episode 5 when Beren asks Finrod for aid with his Quest. So, is everything set and in place for that story, or do we need to see some tension or political machinations from the Fëanoreans or...?
He has a sword (named Dagmor in The Lays of Beleriand) and I imagine a bow, likely knives for harvesting tools.Another question - how much time do we have for Ered Gorgoroth/Nan Dungortheb - how many spiders and ancient monsters can we put in there?
What weapons does Beren have? What story do we want to tell, focus more on angst and despair or more on fighting?
He has a sword (named Dagmor in The Lays of Beleriand) and I imagine a bow, likely knives for harvesting tools.
I would imagine using something stronger than flint. The House of Bëor does know how to forge steel, right?"Darkness-slayer" / "Darkness-fighter" fitting name, of elvish origin? Does it glow blue? How long is it? Fitting for giant spiders? (But true, even Bilbo's Sting was fit for that after all). The rest mostly flint weapons? Somehow he starts to remind me of Oetzi now - maybe because of the mountaineering.
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I would imagine using something stronger than flint. The House of Bëor does know how to forge steel, right?
And the point I'm trying to make is that it seems that his knives are only made of flint, indicating that the Bëorians are woefully behind in what they can make.If we shall imagine how he can fight spiders & co we first must know what kind of weapons can he be expected to carry with him.
And the point I'm trying to make is that it seems that his knives are only made of flint, indicating that the Bëorians are woefully behind in what they can make.