* You said Amros tries to talk Amrod out of it. What is his angle here? They are "alike in mood" so their motivations should be similar, but need not be identical... I had imagined Amros was also unhappy about abandoning Fingolfin and planning to join Amrod after a nap. If he tries to talk him out of it, why? To avoid breaking the Oath and the terrible consequences of that? (But they could help Fingolfin and then return to Drengist.) Because they shouldn't go behind Feanor's back? Because he has a bad feeling about this (foresight)? Or because he disagrees about helping Fingolfin? I don't feel like any Feanorian is wise enough to have foresight on their own behalf.
Feanor shows no remorse, clearly.
The brothers should mourn, though. Probably none of them (well, at least probably not the majority) are heartless enough not to at least mourn their brother somewhat, even if they keep it private or muted because Feanor is ... Feanor.
The 4 who participated in burning the ships are responsible for helping kill their own brother. The script should show some subtle differences of reactions. Some are too proud to admit at all they did wrong -- I think at least one should outwardly agree with Feanor's tack, or at least avoid showing any disagreement even in attitude, and keep mourning to a minimum. At least one (Maglor) should openly show remorse. One of them should be the one to say Amrod was better off dead before he broke the Oath.
Amros needs to be pissed at his father and openly call him out for being insane. That line in the Shibboleth can't be used exactly since (I'm assuming) the story about the twins' names wasn't included. But "Fell and fey are you become." (possibly substituting less obscure/more recognizeable words for batshit criminal insanity). If he was persuaded to help burn the ships, this could shade into being pissed off at his father for "making" him do it. But he should still be pissed, either way.
Maedhros pointedly doesn't take part. Should his reaction focus on mourning, or on open anger at Feanor or his brothers? He could very well say "I told you so" ... if he has the guts to stand up to Feanor the way Amros did. He should be angry, even if he manages to bottle it up when Feanor is listening.
How does Celebrimbor react? Has he had any scenes yet? If not this could be a chance to introduce something of his personality.
Well thank you, that's nice of you to say! I'm not sure if I ought to catch up on listening to Season 2 and 3 podcasts first... if you want to talk about it could you please PM me the times and days and link the platform? At the very least I want to also read the scripts and comment on all the Season 3 scripts... and even Season 2 if they aren't Set In Stone. But I am so far from caught up.Faelivrin, I have to tell you that having discussions like this makes outlining scripts much, much easier, so I thank you for investing in this. I hope that you are able to find time to join us for those now and again. It isn't mid-workday, like the podcast recordings.
Well, a verbal confrontation isn't necessarily a coup, but I see your point.I think that Maedhros is both in mourning and angry. But I don't think he's hotheaded enough to rail upon Feanor publicly. He does question the order to burn the ships, and he does abstain from that, but he doesn't actively resist it. He's a bit too much of a pragmatist to try and stage a coup at this point.
My understanding is that Fëanor ends up a permanent inhabitant of the Halls of Mandos: I have a dim memory of a note saying that he's the only one who would never be released. Even Finwë, who is there on a more-or-less voluntary basis, would get out before his oldest son.As an aside... what do you think happened to Amrod's soul? He didn't go all the way back to Valinor, so he didn't break his Oath yet... but he might have been planning to. Is "I was maybe going to break my unbreakable Oath, but you killed me before I had a chance" enough to send his soul to the Everlasting Darkness" ?
Maybe one of the brothers should ask this in anguished tones afterwards. It's an opportunity to remind audiences of the blasphemous evil nature of the Oath.
So can Armitage laugh like a deranged murderous maniac who's about to accidentally murder his son?Fëanor is played by Richard Armitage in this adaptation. (With the understanding that fantasy casting is...just that.)
Well... honestly, there wasn't much reason to think rescue was possible. Let alone that Morgoth would actually honor any deal to release him. Nobody tried to rescue Hurin, or Gwindor, or Celebrimbor, or Earnur, or Thrain... not even Frodo and Sam, until after the Ring melted. Because normally that's deemed impossible. Fingon and Luthien+Huan are the only people who ever succeed, and both times it's a legitimate miracle. It's still very understandable that Maedhros would feel abandoned and angry. But I think he would let it go at some point.And yes, this is where Maedhros starts to split from his brothers - we have to see *why* he goes to meet Morgoth's emissary alone, and why they don't try to rescue him. While the latter can be explained by constraints of the Oath and Maglor's weak leadership, the former is very telling of...something.
I don’t know about that, but I can imagine him with a more bitter laugh.So can Armitage laugh like a deranged murderous maniac who's about to accidentally murder his son?
I imagine something shrill, actually. Don't know if Armitage can be shrill. And...it has to be an evil, contemptuous laugh.I don’t know about that, but I can imagine him with a more bitter laugh.