Except that Sauron is Quenya instead of Sindarin. In Sindarin he’s known as Gorthaur the Cruel.So, it ultimately comes down to language then. We have her speaking English on screen, so maybe she just says "abhorred", and we figure out some way to have "abhorred" subtitled in Sindar at some point (or vice-versa?)? Everyone is all fine with names being words with meanings in fiction, except that in English we don't really do it very often. So in spoken Sindar it would be unclear if she's calling him "sauron" or "Sauron" if you get the distinction, but when we translate it to English, it's either "abhorred" or "Sauron".
To further elaborate here -Here are my notes for this session:
- Sauron can't be in battle, but there should be some closure to the Edhellos-Sauron-Angord arc
- Edhellos needs to tell Angrod about what Sauron did since Angrod won't see Sauron shapeshift
- Edhellos dies fighting Balrog and saving someone else's life, maybe Orodreth or Aegnor
- When working on Thranduil's story later, remember to keep him distant from Ban on Quenya to explain why he tolerates the dragon-proof gates the Dwarves made
- Narsil less explicitly anti-Sauron sword, something about breaking bonds or chains
- change how fire functions in dream, line on horizon or dream lit by fire
- Thingol seems really petty when refusing to help Finrod; need to emphasize why it is significant that Finrod is asking to build Nargothrond in the south
- Finrod should express concern for Galadriel and how she has changed from the ambitious person he once knew
- When giving Galadriel the engagement ring, Finrod should have the ring on a chain around his neck
- Galadriel should misinterpret Finrod giving up the ring as him giving up on his relationship with Amarie
About the Ban and Quenya: Perhaps the language is allowed to stay, but only in certain areas? I took some classes on African history during the colonization period, and some psychological problems cropped up due to having to suppress their culture. I'm not quite sure how far we can go with the suppression of culture without making the Sindar look bad.To further elaborate here -
Of the viewpoints/stories of Sauron/Edhellos/Angrod, Angrod's viewpoint is the most interesting and immediately relevant in the context of Season 4's themes. Therefore, I would say there is reason to make Angrod the protagonist of this episode.In the choice between saving Orodreth or Aegnor, we would get more payoff for making it Aegnor, because he is going to be very pro-war after this, and having him feel that he owes it to Edhellos to be vigilant. This gives him motivation to turn down Andreth despite their mutual attraction to one another.Sauron need not be name-dropped in this episode. What Angrod needs to know is that Edhellos suffered torment in Angband, and that her will has been broken, and that she is now a kinslayer. The details of how Sauron assumed Angrod's appearance to mess with Edhellos may not be something that Angrod ever learns.Episode 10:
The resistance to the Ban is an interesting innovation - there are reasons the Noldor don't want to follow it, and ways that they naturally lapse into Quenya. Do we foresee an eventual resolution to this? How is the Ban going to play out in history? And is there any crisis - beyond what happens with Oropher and the dwarves of Moria in the Frame?Thranduil will be born after the Fëanoreans sack Doriath. Possibly during the Second Age. Also, he apparently wasn't around when Oropher was constructing the gates of the woodland realm with dwarvish aid, and thus has no personal knowledge of this dispute. Oropher was present for the Second Kinslaying and is strongly anti-Noldor/anti-Quenya.And on the important topic of elven pajamas, Trish weighed in to suggest that Glorfindel goes commando Episode 11:
Thingol comes across as very petty. While we do need to set up the Thingol who will be the worst dad ever and a racist jerk in the Beren and Lúthien story, we want to be careful how we handle this. Finrod's request is (mostly) reasonable, so Thingol's reaction should emphasize his hurt more than his anger. In other words...it's okay for Thingol to come across negatively in this episode, but we want to handle his character with nuance and subtlety. (The way we give Norn 'justifications' in Episode 12.)Galadriel has one scene with Finrod early in the episode. We need to add a second interaction in which Finrod asks about the Celeborn situation, in a concerned big brother this-isn't-you way. Galadriel defends her relationship with Celeborn and informs the audience why marrying Celeborn is what she wants out of life. We need to see that Galadriel isn't hurt-and-needing-Celeborn-to-help-her-heal; she's choosing Celeborn for her future vision, as well. At the end of the conversation, Finrod takes the ring he's been wearing on a chain around his neck out and gives it to Galadriel (thus conferring his blessing on their relationship), suggesting that she will have need of it, and he no longer does, as he will never give it to Amarië.So...why is Galadriel marrying Celeborn? Let's come up with a compelling answer to that question!