My point is that if we have Gil-Galad spend much of his time in Nargothrond for the next few seasons, we’d have two characters in the same spot where we’d have the same predicament: a future famous character that we’d be trying to find a larger role for that’s larger than what’s described for them in the books.Not yet, right? Not until next season.
The best person to ask might be @Nicholas Palazzo , he tried to create a wiki a couple years ago.I agree that Gil-galad's introduction should be carefully considered, and whether he will be present or absent (and why) at certain events is important. We likely should introduce him this season or next, and in Nargothrond rather than Minas Tirith. Most likely, we want him too young to fight in the Dagor Bragollach, but beyond that, there are a lot of potential directions to take his story and character.
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I do not expect anyone to remember all of the decisions we have made on this project. Well, I mean, I certainly try to keep track, but that's a lot to ask! In general, it's very fair to admit that we have a lot to keep straight:
So, yeah, a lot of 'canon' to juggle there! And now that we are 5 seasons deep in this podcast, that's a lot of hours of audio to dig through to find answers to old questions. At various times, people have suggested making a wiki for this project, to keep all of the information straight. If anyone knows how to create something like that and is inclined to take the time to do so, I will do my best to help edit and keep it accurate.
- The story as told in the published Silmarillion
- Alternate versions of stories presented in the History of Middle-Earth or other materials
- The version we are telling in Silm Film, which may match either of the above or deviate from them in some way
Well, we currently have her as the head of the House of the Tower of Snow; her lieutenant is Penlod and he takes command when she leaves Gondolin (hence why Penlod is leading two Houses).I feel like Aredhel should have/choose her own guards to come with her instead of being babysat by Turgon all the way - she's his sister, not his subject or protégée. It would be weird to make Aredhel the only grandchild of Finwe to not have any people of her own (Galadriel doesn't have followers either, but she went to Doriath where most Noldor weren't allowed, so the story's sexist bent regarding the distribution of followers doesn't become as apparent with her). Aredhel should be either second-in-command in Turgon's Noble House or the head of one of the other Noble Houses (or, if we don't really delve into those much, be of equal political status to Glorfindel, Ecthelion etc.) - after all, she was the highest-ranking of the people that "advertised" the move to Gondolin. At least she should have, considering her primary hobby, a group of hunters around her.
Hey, the House of the Tower of Snow fitting her well is just what I thought about after writing my last message We're really on the same wavelength there.Well, we currently have her as the head of the House of the Tower of Snow; her lieutenant is Penlod and he takes command when she leaves Gondolin.
Sounds good to me Her impatience could explain why they don't take the safe route along Doriath's southern border (which is somewhat parallel to Haleth, who unwisely leads her people through this deadly valley as well). If some (whoever they will be in the end) want to go with her and Turgon allows it because he trusts them to keep Gondolin's secret, it feels a lot better. Turgon will always look a bit hypocritical letting Aredhel (and her companions) leave while forcing Eol and Maeglin to stay, but that's fine with me - this story is where Turgon's moral decline towards refusing Ulmo's advice and getting his people killed begins, after all.I kind of like the idea that Aredhel is accompanied by Glorfindel and Ecthelion. I don’t think we should portray it like she needs or wants guards or babysitters. She could just want some good company on the road. They seldom go anywhere, they could feel it will be fun. Then, when they aren’t allowed to pass through Doriath, things look much bleaker and perhaps Glorfindel and the others (if it’s not just Glorfindel) want to turn back. Aredhel could suggest going through Nan Dungortheb but the others could reply that sure they could go that way but is it worth the trouble? They can beat spiders but there must be thousands and wasn’t this supposed to be a leisure journey? She loses patience with them and sneaks off on her own.
Well they’re not quite the same age or generation, Celebrimbor was an adult when Orodreth met Meril (Gil-Galad's mother).My immediate reaction to finding out that two characters are in the same place at the same time (at a point in their lives that is background timeline filling rather than existing narrative) is to make them be friends. Exhibit A, Bilbo and Estel in Rivendell during Bilbo's Adventure. Exhibit B, apparently, could be Gil-galad and Celebrimbor in Nargothrond as youths. We've got a blank slate with them here. Any reason why they wouldn't be inseparable besties? What if they are the same age? It means we can have twice the screentime for them, if they are together.
I could get with that.Yes but Celebrimbor and Orodreth are more or less buddies, right? So Celebrimbor is like an extra uncle to Gil-G, and could feel he should support him or guide him, and feel superior to him (and later not necessarily do what the High King says).