Nicholas Palazzo
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I cannot tell you how much the phrase "whatever it takes" chills me. That one phrase has set so many good people up to do so much evil...
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I cannot tell you how much the phrase "whatever it takes" chills me. That one phrase has set so many good people up to do so much evil...
Don't get too desperate - we have a year to figure this out, and certainly a makeup department can emphasize the look-alike status rather than diminish it.
Yes. It removes all the restrictions, so that any action becomes permissible, so long as it is in service of the stated goal. When the commentators telling this story say that the Oath is one that 'none should take,' they don't just mean that it's frowned upon to swear in the name of Ilúvatar (for serious matters, you can) - it's that Fëanor put in the ultimate restriction...about being banished to the Void if they should fail. Given that consequence, all the 'neither law, nor love, nor league of swords' shall defend someone who tries to take a silmaril business becomes very serious. It shouldn't really surprise anyone that the Oath led to the Kinslaying.
And the Oath is definitely pre-meditated. For one thing, Fëanor doesn't just swear it himself. So, if 8 people recite something in unison, either they did a call-and-response, or they all had it memorized and ready to go. I'm assuming that Fëanor had it planned, and informed them, at least, before leaving for Tirion. [But I suppose we can discuss logistics later.]
Another phrase that I consider extremely dangerous is the line, "There's still time to change the road you're on," from 'Stairway to Heaven.' While it is maybe encouraging to think about the fact that people can change their courses in life, the idea of lulling someone into thinking they could always change...later... is completely diabolical.
Yes. It removes all the restrictions, so that any action becomes permissible, so long as it is in service of the stated goal. When the commentators telling this story say that the Oath is one that 'none should take,' they don't just mean that it's frowned upon to swear in the name of Ilúvatar (for serious matters, you can) - it's that Fëanor put in the ultimate restriction...about being banished to the Void if they should fail. Given that consequence, all the 'neither law, nor love, nor league of swords' shall defend someone who tries to take a silmaril business becomes very serious. It shouldn't really surprise anyone that the Oath led to the Kinslaying.
And the Oath is definitely pre-meditated. For one thing, Fëanor doesn't just swear it himself. So, if 8 people recite something in unison, either they did a call-and-response, or they all had it memorized and ready to go. I'm assuming that Fëanor had it planned, and informed them, at least, before leaving for Tirion. [But I suppose we can discuss logistics later.]
Another phrase that I consider extremely dangerous is the line, "There's still time to change the road you're on," from 'Stairway to Heaven.' While it is maybe encouraging to think about the fact that people can change their courses in life, the idea of lulling someone into thinking they could always change...later... is completely diabolical.
Marielle
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Sorry Ange, but I'm with MithLuin on this one. I'd love to see him cast somewhere, perhaps as a villain, but with different motivations than his GoT character. I could actually see him playing a great Gorlim? That's based on looks and maybe 2 clips of GoT I've seen (I don't watch the show: a) no HBO and b) Grr Martin depresses the crap outta me.)
This one might actually be my favorite so far!
Ange1e4e5
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What's he in?...stop me....!
Ben Aldridge? British actor...Not too bad, there is actually some similarity...!
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Ange1e4e5
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You know, all that stuff with Grr Martin makes me think he could write a pretty good screenplay for The Children of Hurin.
Marielle
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I could see it! It might not quite capture the "redemptive quality of suffering/tragedy" that Tolkien has, but he wouldn't wiff on anything!
Marielle
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We certainly could... but would that be a waste of his talents? We don't have any named orc commanders, that I can recall, until the 3rd Age. We might want to use him before that, or for more than a minor OC role.
But for now, I'll just say I want to see him cast, just not as a Feanorean.
And as for Ben Aldridge... Haakon embedded his IMDB page url in his name. I didn't recognize anything, but maybe y'all that watch a lot more TV than I do will have opinions.
He's done a lot of television, it seems. I haven't seen the shows he's been in or at least don't remember doing so, but I've heard about a couple of them and they are quality shows.
Nicholas Palazzo
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I have to disagree here. The whole point of the story seems to me to be that no matter what Morgoth can do to Hurin & Fam. in life, he ultimately has no power over them. Hurin, Morwen, Turin, and Nienor all escape his clutches forever.
Marielle
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Was going to let that go, as this thread is about Feanor's kids, not Hurin's, but well said!
I have to agree. Both Cooper and Berdy look like their faces have been squashed into squares, compared to the others.
Of course, if we need identical twins with longer faces and reddish hair, there's always these two:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_and_Oliver_Phelps
(That photo is from 2011; they're now 30 years old.)
Of course, if we need identical twins with longer faces and reddish hair, there's always these two:
(That photo is from 2011; they're now 30 years old.)
Marielle
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This is mean, but I just don't think the Phelps twins are handsome enough to be elves. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but... I think I prefer Kevin Zeger and Zac Efron, as Carlia suggested, for the twins. At least from the faces I've seen so far...