I think the issue is that if the frame is not thematically linked to the main story, it kind of defeats the purpose of having one.I was just listening to the latest broadcast on youtube, as i cant get or follow them via this page.
A thing that at once stuck to my mind was Corey denying the "preachy" character of the frame, because at that moment i realized that he was wrong and the frame quite often got preachy, in the sense that we too often try to come up with a problem which relates to the story we want to tell and somehow either the narrator of the story or the storyline itself act as foils, or rather the other way around, too often our frame is constructed or set up in a way so that the silmarillion story of the episode can act as a foil to it, and I think the construction character of the frame comes out too obvious at so many points, it is vulnerable to come out as artificial, and we should avoid such a thing at all costs.I mean Corey especially mentioned the Eriol frame from LT as a negative example, for a children's books charakter, but in a way it is less so than our frame, because Eriol being told stories does not include his own Story acting as a mirror or reference point to the stories he is told, quite the opposite , his own Story is running between the individual stories and is completely independent and not running parallel to the mythology.
It isn't super clear exactly what happened. It says that the dwarves charged without a signal, then it talks about arrows being fired, but it isn't obvious who is shooting at whom and what casualties there might have been.(But I don’t see where in the Hobbit story the Elves had shot any Dwarves.)
Right. I was trying to think of a way to include Glorfindel in the story, since I’m not sure how far he goes distance wise, and as a means of tying the Frame to the main storyline.I doubt we'll have reason to show the journey there, as we will want to introduce our frame situation as soon as possible. So, episode 1 can be Gandalf and Balin visiting Bilbo and inviting him to join them for the memorial...and episode 2 would be at the Lonely Mountain.
We may have reason to visit Rivendell during the return journey, as some sort of wrap up....but we may want to show Bilbo arriving back home instead as a bookend.
Perhaps Bilbo receives a note from Balin and Gandalf and Balin show up to escort Bilbo to Erebor. Maybe not Dain since Dain might not know Bilbo as well.By the way...
It seems we’re about to introduce Gandalf in our series in a rather uninteresting way. I mean, this character is one of the most important and most popular in all of this. And the situation is quite undramatic and with three people who already know each other. Of course, most viewers will know who Gandalf is but we can’t tell a story that way, assuming people know things. So we should either invent a dramatic situation (not my favourite suggestion) or perhaps have Gandalf send Bilbo a letter of invitation. Or Dain sends one.
(This problem applies to Balin as well)
This is why I think we need to make Thranduil a child born in the 1st Age. He needs to have seen Doriath, seen Luthien and seen Menegroth. It's vital for his character and Legolas' character in my opinion. Thranduil needs to have seen the majesty and beauty of Doriath. I think it works even better if he was a child when it was destroyed. This way as a small child he saw the dwarves destroy his home.I've watched half of Session 3 and my thoughts are already long, so I'm posting before I finish watching.
I really like the 7-year commemoration of Erebor/Dale plan. I’d really like to use Bilbo, with Balin and Gandalf visiting the Shire and/or “fetching” him to Dale at the start. Bilbo is a voice for both reconciliation and forgiveness.
Female Dwarves attending the event: sure, yes. Fireworks, too!
Working in Arwen would be cool. She hasn't returned to Rivendell yet. Can Bilbo meet her this early?
Not sure I want Celeborn and Galadriel along.
About reconciliation itself, here are my thoughts. I apologize that they're long:
I think reconciliation and forgiveness will take time to develop over the season, and it won’t be complete. Dáin wants to make good with the Lakemen, and the Lakemen and Elves are friends with each other... but the Lakemen weren’t happy with the Dwarves, and the Dwarves and Elves are very unfriendly.
In my view, the Dwarves really do have a serious grievance against Thranduil. Yes, they trespassed. But Thranduil robbed them, and locked them in solitary confinement and total darkness, which is genuinely torture. He planned to imprison them for life. Thorin was the Heir of Dúrin. Dwarves take assaults on their Kings as an assault upon their whole clan and I think all Longbeards would be upset, including Dáin. (But I don’t see where in the Hobbit story the Elves had shot any Dwarves.)
Thranduil is ... much more racist than Celeborn. He hates Dwarves. He initially planned to sack Erebor. So... I have a hard time imagining he'll suddenly treat Dwarves with genuine respect just because they fought one battle together. After all, he also fought beside them in the Last Alliance. We can show Thranduil has begun improving a bit, and maybe Legolas is less racist than his father, or we can show Legolas’ own character development. Although, the frame can’t last more than about a year, since the Season 6 frame will be in 2951.
I'm not sure the Lakemen necessarily all want reconciliation with the Dwarves. Thranduil and the Men both brought armies to sack Erebor. The Lakemen blamed the Dwarves for stirring up the Dragon that destroyed their town. Bard spoke for moderation, he wasn’t in favor of murdering Thorin’s company ... but he did threaten them with an army.
So, Bilbo (and Bard, Celeborn’s sister... and Bombur? Roäc or his heir?) may have to make serious effort to persuade people to let this go. Between the Dwarves and Men, Dáin has already returned the treasures of old Dale, but maybe if Dwarves also helped rebuild Dale and Laketown, they might have reconciled by now. But between Elves and Dwarves, it won’t be solved by the end of the frame story. At the Council of Elrond, it appears from Glóin’s complaint that Thranduil still hadn’t even apologized for what he did to Thorin’s company, and that they haven’t forgotten it.