I’m not really on board with the first option or the third, but the first because it seems too similar to the death scene concept for Aegnor. I’d be fine with him getting killed by a Balrog or Glaurung in the Dagor Bragollach, to depict how dangerous they are.No. Our choices are:
Angrod dies being killed by a balrog in reckless grief/anger at the Dagor Aglareb.
OR, Angrod is killed by a balrog or Glaurung in the Dagor Bragollach.
OR, Angrod is captured but presumed dead at the Dagor Bragollach, and the elves never learn his fate.
The Hosts have chosen the first option, and are not aware of the third option. The people here are strongly in favor of the second option (published Silmarillion version).
We already have one Elf stuck in Angband, we don’t need two. The Dagor Aglareb loses the impact of being a resounding victory if we have a major character killed or captured like that, and it lessens the impact that the Dagor Bragollach will have on Fingolfin with only one nephew getting killed instead of two.I'm all about Option Three, if we can get there. It's functionally equivalent to Option Two (a non-omniscient writer of PubSil would not know the difference) and it gives us opportunities with a character we know in there. I don't see a downside frankly.
Why do we think they aren't there in the PubSil? I mean, they aren't specified as being there, while their presence is called out in almost every other campaign.As I understand it, it is the presence of Balrogs that demands the death of a named character, right? So, as long as there are Balrogs in Dagor Aglareb, we won’t convince the execs to let Angrod survive (unless we kill someone else). So we have to come up with a reason to keep the Balrogs off the battle field.
Perhaps they want to, but whoever is there prevents the Balrogs from taking part, ie Morgoth, maybe Gothmog being overconfident thinking that Beleriand could be conquered with just Orcs, and realizing that Morgoth needs bigger and deadlier weapons (Dragons, disease, siege weapons) to beat the Elves? I’ve thought about having one Balrog present during the battle to keep the Orcs from fleeing from the Elves.Why do we think they aren't there in the PubSil? I mean, they aren't specified as being there, while their presence is called out in almost every other campaign.
Maybe no Balrog? The published Silmarillion doesn’t mention Balrogs present during the battle.We’ve made it our rule that there can be no Balrog participation without the death of one or more named characters. So it can be either way in PubSil. If they’re in, an Elven life is taken.
I think maybe Morgoth thinks that the task can be done with only Orcs and not need Balrogs (overconfidence), and hence sends out only Orcs. When they get beaten in the Dagor Aglareb, he realizes that was a mistake, and that he needs to throw everything that he can muster at the Noldor. Maybe Morgoth kept them in reserve in case the Valar decide to attack? Maybe Gothmog convinces Morgoth that the Orcs are all that’s needed, and that puts him in the proverbial doghouse for the next 400 years, since he isn’t mentioned until the Dagor Bragollach?Morgoth, in fact, is around*. He returns to Angband in the episode immediately before the battle, and plays a major role in the climax (setting the spell of bottomless dread on Edhellos). So, if we want him to go back to the East, we'll have to have that explicitly happen at the beginning of the episode before the battle. Since we need him there afterwards to make dragons, that seems...unnecessary. We can send him back East in, say, Episode 11 if we want....
To sum up the train of thought here.
1) The Execs did not see a credible reason for Morgoth not to include balrogs in this battle. Why *wouldn't* he use his best available infantry in this attack down Sirion?
2) If balrogs are present and used in the battle, our 'balrog rule' means that a balrog must kill a named character.
3) The most expendable descendant of Finwë available at this time is Angrod (he has no major tasks left to complete), and so he was chosen as the victim.
If we want to preserve Angrod's death occurring in the Dagor Bragollach, then we need to convince the Execs on Point #1 above of a good reason not to send the balrogs into battle and have this force be 'just orcs'.
As for the published Silmarillion, I think it's fairly clear balrogs were not present. The narrator makes a big deal of pointing out that this battle demonstrated to Morgoth that orcs alone were insufficient to fight the Noldor. Ergo, no balrogs on the battlefield.
* I know Morgoth's timeline in the East is hazy. Here's the breakdown thus far:
Episode 2 - Morgoth departs for points east for a special secret mission project he's working on, something foretold in the Music.
Episode 6 - A solar eclipse occurs, and we get a glimpse of Morgoth on his newly constructed ziggurat with shadowy pseudo-worshipers.
Episode 8 - Morgoth returns to Angband. He puts the spell of bottomless dread on Edhellos (and other elves)