Rob Harding
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Perhaps they can, but don't. The only one we really need to hear from is Draugluin.
Yeah I don’t think there’s too much need to depict others talking at this stage
Perhaps they can, but don't. The only one we really need to hear from is Draugluin.
Gothmog is probably going to be shunted to the side this season.Allright. So we also do not build them up more as characters, as they don't need dialogue?
Then all we have is Morgoth, Gothmog, Sauron, Thuringwethil, Boldog, Gorgol. Enough evil characters for evil dialogues still in my opinion. Gorgol will de dead soon though...
I could get behind Sauron being the werewolf.I mean that's very true. I just think to have another werewolf is kind of a bit...'meh.' It just distracts from our 'hero' werewolves. Unless we flavour it so it's noticeably a different sort of creature. Maybe it doesn't need to be bigger and nastier than Draugluin. Mangier, angular. The wolf that only gets fed scraps and is savagely hungry. A Gollum werewolf. So it's a threat that needs killing, but it's just in a couple scenes and would never give the impression of being the werewolf to fulfil the prophecy. It needs to be a heroic death for Finrod but I just don't think we should get the sense that the big threats this season will be one werewolf after another. I think this is why Corey suggests the wolves being sent forth by Sauron to stop Huan should come in a wave.
An alternative it again, the idea that it is Sauron himself in another form torturing and killing prisoners and then killing Finrod, who can injure Sauron in the conflict, at least sets up Sauron as assuming the form of a wolf. And we already know that combat isn't where his strengths lie, so it's valid that Finrod rising up to defend Beren could be a valid adversary. Finrod dying at Sauron's hand, even if he doesn't know it, is a big way to go out. Sauron could then leave and resume his own form and be full of malice.
I could get behind Sauron being the werewolf.
Well, we also have Sauron taking Tol Sirion at the start of the season, since the place is known as the Isle of Werewolves (the translation of Tol-in-Gaurhoth is Isle of Werevolves in Sindarin). Draugluin will likely play a part in that.So apart from Morgoths scene with Luthien and Gorgol killing Barahir and getting killed by Beren...
Maybe Boldogs end by Thingol.
Our villain scenes would mainly focus on Sauron and Thuringwethil then?
Our villain scenes would mainly focus on Sauron and Thuringwethil then?
She and Sauron infiltrate the Mereth Aderthad in Season 4.I’m pretty up to date on season 5, but in terms of looking for Thuringwethil content, prior to 5, what arcs/episodes should I be looking at?
He isn't completely incarnate at that point? I thought he was by the time he visited Hildorien and certainly the time he dueled Fingolfin?
Anyway... i think of Melkor as a corruptor, so when he becomes aware of Luthien he would wish to corrupt her, spoiling her by harassing and contaminating her physically would suit him, that incorporates sexually, no hormones needed, it is domination and humiliation.
What do you mean exactly by "completely incarnate"? Does he need to sleep, eat, drink and use a bathroom? He can sleep, but does he have to - at certain intervalls? That is the kind of incarnation which would make hormones (like .g. insulin) necessary.
I’m not sure it matters too much that we get into the weeds on the technical mechanics of it. Just need to know if it facilitates emotions or if he’s cold and distant. Well, we know emotions are definitely present, regardless of chemistry or biology. So then we just decide for our story if it’s an emotional longing/sexual lusting or if it’s a power trip. Then we have to work out how to visually present that choice
Whatever we decide it has to make sense (to be at least superficially internally coherent). Nothing puts audience off so much than the impression that the filmmakers consider the audience to be "stupid".
There wasn't much of one outside of making Boldog much bigger than most other Orcs (Boldog's actor Conan Stevens is just over 7 feet tall and was established as the ceiling for Orcs). My thoughts about Gorgol were to make him more skilled than the average Orc, but physically unlike Boldog, similar to how the T-800 and T-1000 were (and why I opened the thread on Gorgol with a suggestion of Ray Park).I also like that this repeats the idea of men in her life trying to save her and she does not need that at all. She is not a Disney Princess. But she can still be stunning and enchanted and beautiful without bring delicate.
What was the conclusion from way back about differentiating orc ‘heroes’? How do we make sure Gorgol stands out? Does he just carry a big butcher’s knife style sword? I know these chats were had but can’t think where (searching ‘orcs’ brings up A LOT).
piece together what is happening based on the world we lay out if we make the intentions clear enough