So if I read you right, @amysrevenge , your idea is that they have love at first sight, or love at first meeting, and that one of the ways we can portray that is with this sharing and keeping of secrets?
Galadriel is a telepath. Could play a part in bonding.Yes, just that. There are no secrets between them, ever again. Maybe it's an Elf-y mind-meld/what we may call magic. An uncontrolled or unintentional two-way telepathy. It's hard to put into words. It's similar to modern humans becoming first-time parents, where their entire world switches instantly and permanently (and without a lot of deliberateness, it just happens) from "the two of us" to "the three of us" (only minus one for G&C haha). It's kind of a shocking shift, as even the most enormously pregnant woman is still, practically speaking, just 1 person. You have to remind yourself that there's going to be a new person around, but you don't feel it in your bones - it's all academic. And then all of a sudden there is another person, and you don't think "hey, now that there's another person, I'll have to remember to account for that new person when I consider my actions moving forward", it just happens.
For G&C, all plans and hopes and worries and goals would instantly shift from "me" to "us".
Next week!So, what’s on the docket for today?
Yes that was my first thought a couple of weeks ago and I’ve suggested it a couple of times. I still think it’s a good idea but I can see it working out the way @amysrevenge has suggested. It fits with Celeborn being a “giver of gifts beyond the power of kings”.And what if Celeborn is empathic and feels that tjere is pain in galadriel and tells her " youndon't have to talk about it if you don't want, at least not now..." ?
I may be misunderstanding what has been said, I'm still trying to catch up, but can't Celeborn have lost one or even more members of his family without being an orphan? I'm not sure why this needs to be an all or nothing issue.It is part of the project that unnamed extras were captured and killed. But as far as I know, it's not a Final Decision that Celeborn has to be an orphan and his family is banned from surviving. I still do not see any need whatsoever why the Elves killed at Cuivienen MUST!! be his parents. I'm not grasping why allowing them to be alive would be so bad. And I'm not seeing what advantage there is in making him an orphan, what it could possibly add to the story. I think doing it would be useless. Please don't prematurely dismiss the possibility that any of them survived. There are good reasons to keep them alive.
People blame themselves for things which are not their fault all the time. At best, Galadriel went into the conflict on the same side as those who killed her mother. She did not know that at the time, and certainly did not know that would happen, so there is no true blame to lay at her feet. Feeling justified in the rebellion doesn't mean that she can't feel like she should have done something to prevent her mother's death.I have to say I don't agree with Corey that we should depict Galadriel as blaming herself personally for the Kinslaying. We did not show her drawing her sword or murdering any Teleri.
Yes! That's exactly what I've been trying to say. He can lose several friends, or a little sibling. He doesn't actually need to lose anyone at Cuivienen. He can simply be sympathetic to Galadriel's loss out of a kind heart, and those dead Elves could be Elwe's relatives instead. There's no need for every single person close to Celeborn to be dead except his sister. There's no need to get rid of his parents, it's not like their presence is going to somehow hurt the project. In the year+ that I've been advocating why his parents would be useful as actual characters, nobody has said why we need to get rid of them.can't Celeborn have lost one or even more members of his family without being an orphan? I'm not sure why this needs to be an all or nothing issue.
What I object to is what Corey said about her. She can feel that she didn't do enough to save her mother without lying and saying she murdered the Teleri or fought on Feanor's side. She can feel grief about her mother's death without misremembering what happened. She's not a Kinslayer and should not confess to being one.People blame themselves for things which are not their fault all the time. At best, Galadriel went into the conflict on the same side as those who killed her mother. She did not know that at the time, and certainly did not know that would happen, so there is no true blame to lay at her feet. Feeling justified in the rebellion doesn't mean that she can't feel like she should have done something to prevent her mother's death.
I'm prominently on the record as in favour of this, just to start the data coming in.I guess I'm trying to figure out if anyone is disappointed by the 'love at first sight' take on this couple, and if anyone had any other ideas on how they should get together/fall in love?
Elmo (whose name has been struck from this project, so let it be written, so let it be done) is the father of Galadhon, who is the father of Celeborn and Galathil (in the family tree we are referring to).I think I can safely say that Corey won’t accept ‘Elmo, father of Celeborn’ in this project, and I can sympathise with that sentiment. So if Elmo is the proposed father as Tolkien sketched the family at one point, we could decide that he (Elmo) was taken by the Hunter. The mother, as well as siblings of unknown numbers, could still be alive.
Yes! This is very much the way I see it happen. Love it.I'm prominently on the record as in favour of this, just to start the data coming in.
My immediate notion for the scene (which is not a hill I'd die on, it's just an idea) is that each of them are in a group of peers. They each, within their group, are hearing a list of the names of the members of the other group. It's a bit of a chaotic babble, Quenya and Sindar flying about in quiet murmers. Each of them is told the name of the other at the same moment, and they each look toward the other, and it happens. Then, before they can even speak to each other, they are caught up in the flow of their own groups and dragged away. They then seek each other out in the first moment of privacy they can get, and both go immediately to the same secluded place at the same time, at which point even more of it happens.