He still looks incompetent.Surely we're more clever at writing than that. What if he bravely sacrifices himself to save others the first time he is taken, escapes stronger/more resolute than ever (as we are already planning for Ecthelion, no?) and then poor hapless Gwindor is taken a second time later on, and this time is broken in captivity.
The twist for readers, seeing him escape successfully at first. Fun.
That’s true too. In fact, they (particularly Gothmog) already look bad because they lose three battles over 400 years from the Dagor Agraleb to the Dagor Bragollach.Most of all, I think that it will make Morgoth and his crew look too incompetent. You don't let someone escape a second time.
War of the Jewels said:[Morgoth] now bade the Orkor to take alive any of the Eldar that they could and bring them bound to Angband. For it was his intent to use their lore and skill under duress for his own ends; moreover he took pleasure in tormenting them, and would besides by pain wring from them at times tidings of the deeds and counsels of his enemies. Some indeed he so daunted by the terror of his eyes that they needed no chains more, but walked ever in fear of him, doing his will wherever they might be. These he would unbind and let return to work treason among their own kin.
(emphasis mine)Silmarillion said:And ever the Noldor feared most the treachery of those of their own kin, who had been thralls in Angband; for Morgoth used some of these for his evil purposes, and feigning to give them liberty sent them abroad, but their wills were chained to his, and they strayed only to come back to him again.
Yeah, we don't have any named characters who are described with any detail, who come back without major physical and psychological damage*. After doubling down on that, I have trouble imagining them being able to escape in truth. In Amysrevenge's hypothetical, Finrod is rescued the first time and presumably still dies the second time. Beren is captured twice, but he's a superlative and has Luthien's supernatural help twice, and the first time he's rescued rather than escaping on his own.I'm not sure it's the being captured twice that is sticking in anyone's craw, it's escaping twice with only mild side-effects…we are given graphic detail of how those captured by Morgoth are affected, and none would seem likely to go without notice from their nearest and dearest, never mind carry on regardless…
With Maedhros in place of Ecthelion, I like this. They escape before Morgoth had let out many (or any) beSpelled Elves as agents, so nobody expected them to have become spies. Then Morgoth's agents they start doing things -- I'm guessing sabotage and destructive rumors/social influence are easier than deliberately leaking information -- and people stop trusting any subsequent former thralls.I got an idea: have Rog, Ecthelion and Orodreth get captured, them turn out relatively fine (with the exception of a weakened Orodreth) but have other Elves who are under the spell of Bottomless Dread escape (or set loose) later on, where one realizes that Rog, Ecthelion and Orodreth were a fluke.
Hang on there - that was a hypothetical to argue a point, not a proposed actual event. HahaYeah, maybe there’s less spies sent to Nargothrond because Finrod could sniff them out with telepathy?...
But wait a minute. Finrod arrived with the rest of Fingolfin’s forces, why would he be captured and strung up by his wrist by Morgoth like Maedhros was?
And Finrod can be captured no later than FA 52, when he starts constructing Nargothrond.